Mr. Cain goes to Milwaukee (well, technically, to Atlanta); Latest -- Lorenzo sent back to Nashville

[logan82]

Everything that I have read seems to indicate that there should be 6-8 weeks of downtime for this injury to heal. Furthermore, pitching through an oblique strain can lead to rotator problems as well.

You're missing the two most important points, though: 1) The Brewers' impeccable accuracy in medical diagnoses, & 2) Gallardo is of no importance to the club long-term

 

Yes, this is extremely scary. Its really shortsighted to keep Yo active when a DL stint would only cost him a few days in the best case scenario.

 

I'll be surprised if Yo makes another start in July.

Yeah, a DL stint would now cost him 1 start since he's being skipped in his next one. No reason not to do it. You protect your future, don't risk anything with Yovani.

I don't know. We are still in the thick of a playoff race or at least the moves the team is making would lead you to believe that.

[viaarete]

I'm just going to add my voice to the grumbling over why Yo is not on the DL.

 

*grumble grumble*

[brettac1]

Maybe they just want to keep the amount of playable guys on the roster at an even number.

[DHonks]

The Brewers need to realize what they have. Gomez needs to be demoted to AA. Macha needs to be fired yesterday. Cain needs to be in CF. Counsell needs two starts per week at shortstop (Escobar has looked fatigued lately). Braun needs to be honest about his injuries. Fielder needs to hit 3rd. Parra is part of the future and needs to start the rest of the year.

 

It's a black hole in our lineup that we have Gomez, Escobar, and the pitcher as the bottom third when they start.

[brewmann04]

they said they can wait till friday and always place him on the Dl retro to Sun.

[brettac1]

The Brewers need to realize what they have. Gomez needs to be demoted to AA. Macha needs to be fired yesterday. Cain needs to be in CF. Counsell needs two starts per week at shortstop (Escobar has looked fatigued lately). Braun needs to be honest about his injuries. Fielder needs to hit 3rd. Parra is part of the future and needs to start the rest of the year.

 

It's a black hole in our lineup that we have Gomez, Escobar, and the pitcher as the bottom third when they start.

The funny thing is that some of the pitchers are actually better hitters than those two guys. Gallardo should hit 7th when he starts. And I'm not even being sarcastic.

[DHonks]

Brettac, exactly my thoughts! It's pathetic. Heck, if they're not putting Cain in CF then they need to alternate--when Gomez starts, Counsell needs to start; when Edmonds starts, Escobar can start. With an awful defense and mediocre pitching, we can't afford to have 1/3rd of the lineup being automatic outs.

[hawing]

I don't know. We are still in the thick of a playoff race or at least the moves the team is making would lead you to believe that.

And in a playoff race, why would you need all 25 of your guys available?

[Baldkin]

Brettac, exactly my thoughts! It's pathetic. Heck, if they're not putting Cain in CF then they need to alternate--when Gomez starts, Counsell needs to start; when Edmonds starts, Escobar can start. With an awful defense and mediocre pitching, we can't afford to have 1/3rd of the lineup being automatic outs.

Edmonds is horrible. Since April, since pitchers have figured him out, he's only walked 6 times in 115 PAs and is OBPing a Gomezian .290. Thinking he brings anything to the table over Gomez at this time is just silly.

[Jimbo]

I was at the game Monday and was hoping for a PH appearance. Darn.

[RobertR]

It's a black hole in our lineup that we have Gomez, Escobar, and the pitcher as the bottom third when they start.

To echo brettac1, the pitchers don't belong in that sentence. They're above average compared to the rest of the league.

 

As far as Cain goes, I don't see the point of accumulating service time if he's not playing. I'm not even sure why you'd call up Cain to replace a pitcher.

 

Robert

[Invader3K]

From Adam McCalvy: Gallardo to DL after all (left oblique). Officially rules him out for All-Star Game. D Davis activated from DL. Story coming to Brewers.com

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Really wanted to see Cain up here if Yo had to hit the DL. This stinks.

[Rhett16]

So yesterday he didn't need a DL stint, and now he does. Ok. Am I the only one with no faith in our medical staff?

[hawing]

So yesterday he didn't need a DL stint, and now he does. Ok. Am I the only one with no faith in our medical staff?

I'd like to know whether this is a matter of Yo feeling significantly worse than he did on Monday, or if it's more of a roster-management transaction. I see no value to having the Brewers play with only 24 guys available until Friday, even if 12 of them are pitchers.

 

The brewers.com report states that Dr. Raasch "recommended further tests later this week." http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/indifferent.gif So I don't feel like this situation is out of the woods yet at all.

 

Edit: and Witrado's blog entry includes the following:

 

Gallardo had another examination with team physician William Raasch

today and the doctor felt more tightness in the left oblique area than

he was comfortable with, so the Brewers made the move, which was more of

a "safety first" deal than anything else, assistant GM Gord Ash said.

Ash also said this development doesn't make the "mild" strain any more

significant, but there is also no need to rush Gallardo.

Yeah...not a comfort.

[rluzinski]

The funny thing is that some of the pitchers are actually better hitters than those two guys. Gallardo should hit 7th when he starts. And I'm not even being sarcastic.

Now you are just being silly. Yo's career .237 OBP is that sexy to you, huh?

[JJHardy7]

Gamel sitting on the bench was more due to his lack of putting in the extra work then it was Macha. This has been reported before. Please stop making it out to be some vendetta by Macha.

 

I don't agree with this at all...I'm guessing some here wouldn't either, but if this was true you don't waste a prospect's time on the bench at the MLB level. Send him back down. Plain and simple. I don't care if he's dating Macha's daughter or ran over Macha's dog...they wasted Gamel's time last year with both service and developing. It was pretty stupid all around.

 

Back to the thread...I hope they figure out Yo quick. If he needs to be on the DL for awhile, that's fine. It is not ideal, but there is no need to rush him back at this point. I refuse right now to say the season is lost (it probably is), but we don't need to have Yo injured for a long time. We've seen the other abusing Gallardo thread and maybe just maybe this will prevent that for a few weeks. I'd actually be fine with that.

 

Again, I'm not ready to quit on the season, but we need to look at Yo's future. Hopefully we get some accurate medical reports and if he's out 2 months or the rest of the year so be it. He shouldn't pitch unless he's 100% healthy or close to it. He's obviously talented and now we have a $$$ investment in him.

[Funketown]

The funny thing is that some of the pitchers are actually better hitters than those two guys. Gallardo should hit 7th when he starts. And I'm not even being sarcastic.

Now you are just being silly. Yo's career .237 OBP is that sexy to you, huh?

To be fair, Gallardo has more HR's in the last two seasons than Kendall has in the last three http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

 

I don't think people are really only suggesting that Gallardo is a better hitter than some of our field players out of frustration. I can honestly say that I get less annoyed watching Gallardo at the plate than either Escobar or Gomez. Funny how we think a pitcher who puts up a .200/.225/.375/.600 is better than a SS who puts up a .250/.300/.325/625 line.

 

As for his trip to the DL, I think this is definitely the right move for the Brewers. Oblique strains are not something you want to mess with, and I for one would much rather see Yo out for 5-6 starts than struggling through the rest of the season (and next) with this strain.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Part of the reason you are less annoyed is because he's the pitcher.

[TooLiveBrew]

Rhett16]So yesterday he didn't need a DL stint, and now he does. Ok. Am I the only one with no faith in our medical staff?

You might be the only one with *no* faith in them, but I'm certainly one that is starting to have very little faith in them.

[Ennder]

So yesterday he didn't need a DL stint, and now he does. Ok. Am I the only one with no faith in our medical staff?

 

Completely standard way to handle pitching injuries, not unique to our medical staff in the slightest.

[battlekow]

This quote from

Haudricourt would seem to indicate that Cain isn't going to be

Gamel'd if he's called up:

Cain's major-league debut never

happened, but don't be surprised if he's in center field for the Brewers

by September. Carlos Gomez is doing the same thing he did in Minnesota -

failing to get on base enough (.274 OBP) to use his blazing speed as an

asset - which could open the door for Cain.

[LouisEly]

The reason you don't put a guy immediately on the DL is because once you put a guy on the DL you can't take it back - he's out for 15 days. If it were ultimately a cramp or something minor that only lasts a day or two you've now lost your ace for 3 starts. Thus they wait a couple of days to try to make the most accurate diagnosis possible before shelving him. You can always retroactive a DL stint to the day after the last game he played.

[jjkoestler]

Per TH

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/98611119.html

 

Cain coming back up

By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel

 

July 16, 2010 11:36 a.m.

 

I just learned that the Brewers have recalled centerfielder Lorenzo Cain from Class AAA Nashville. This time, apparently, they're going to activate him.

 

Cain was summoned a week before the all-star break when right-hander Yovani Gallardo was headed to the DL with an oblique strain. But, instead of activating Cain, the Brewers brought lefty Doug Davis off the DL and Cain was returned to Nashville without being activated.

 

Cain began the year at Class AA Huntsville, where he was batting .324 before moving up to Nashville. He was off to a great start in Nashville, batting .341 in 10 games with three doubles, a triple, four RBI and four stolen bases.

 

I don't know what corresponding player move the Brewers are going to make. They could send out a pitcher and go to a 12-man staff. This apparently shows they are not prepared to give centerfielder Carlos Gomez much more playing time after he batted .229 before the break with a .282 on-base percentage.

 

As soon as we get the corresponding move, we will post it.

[kramnoj]

Per agent39, Cain is headed to Atlanta to join the Crew and will be activated this time. TH confirms here: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/98611119.html

 

No corresponding news at this time. Could the Brewers actually be sending down Gomez? That seems to be the most plausible, reasonable decision. They could be sending down a pitcher, or releasing one. Or we could speculate on Hart switching clubhouses while he's in Atlanta.