Milwaukee Bucks 2010/2011

[PrinceEatMeat]

I like that trade a lot. Would be nice to bring in a couple players. Can probably get who they really wanted at 14 anyway.

[bjkrautk]

I think Williams is a small forward in the pros.

Do you think Blake Griffin is a small forward? Because their measurements are almost exactly the same.

 

Height:

 

Griffin - 6'10''

Williams - 6'8.75''

 

...

 

Griffin - 18.8 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, .631 TS%

Williams - 17.7 points, 7.7 rebounds, .9 assists, .674 TS%

 

So Griffin is a better passer and rebounder and they're pretty much the same scorers though Williams was more efficient. I'm not saying Williams is going to be as good as Griffin but he's incredibly underrated.

I'm not much of a follower of the NBA these days, but I did see quite a few of Williams' games in the tournament. By the late '90s (when I still watched), NBA PFs were generally 6-9 or taller; I assume they're at least that height now, if not taller. The rebound differential between Griffin and Williams in college has to be due in part to the height differential.

 

Not to mention, Williams just finished a college season shooting over 50% from behind the 3-point arc. While he can play down low, he clearly has some aptitude out at the wing, and looked more like a pure scorer than a post-up player.

 

To my mind, he would just match up better (offensively and defensively) at the 3 than down on the block; I agree with RoCo.

 

[trwi7]

The NBA is going more towards shorter, hybrid PF's. There's absolutely no doubt Williams is a PF in the NBA. Doubt he could play even a few minutes of SF.

[patrickgpe]

i agree if they were going for a sg, i feel that brooks and thompson are pretty similar players, maybe you can get your backup center at 23 then.

[patrickgpe]

i really hope that valanciunas is not the pick at 10 and the trade is not made. i never saw him play but just reading up on him, he seems very raw and doesn't look like he will be able to help us soon. we drafted a project last year i'd like to get a player like brooks or thompson (or even burke) who can help us this season.

[rwa12]

The NBA is going more towards shorter, hybrid PF's. There's absolutely no doubt Williams is a PF in the NBA. Doubt he could play even a few minutes of SF.

Really? Absolutely no doubt? He is a tweener, I think there was a trend towards going smaller, but I won't be surprised if that trend reverses. Memphis showed what can be done with size in the frontcourt in a smaller NBA. I expect there will be a push to follow that trend. Williams is a nice player, and probably the most talented in the draft. If he couldn't even play a few minutes of SF in the NBA, then he's in big trouble.

[trwi7]

Once again, how is he a tweener? He's shorter than Blake Griffin but his arms are longer and his reach is better which matters more than strictly height. Is Blake Griffin a tweener?

[Paulus88]

I think Williams is a tweener because he has more of a perimeter game than Griffin. Is Durant strictly a PF because he's 6-10, with length?

 

If Williams goes to Minnesota he better get used to playing some 3 because he and Love can't play the 4 and 5 for very long.

[rwa12]

The reach means more than height argument is where we disagree. Measurements aren't everything, if they were, Marcus Haislip would have been decent. From personal experience, as a 6'8" PF/C, there is a distinct difference between posting up a bigger player vs. a smaller one with long arms. He will be an athletic 4, and should have some success, but I don't think he is the sure thing that you do. I don't believe in his dramatic increase in shooting ability, and would like to see it repeated. If his shooting regresses, he is an undersized PF who can't stretch the floor. If his shooting maintains/continues to improve he could carve a niche. Comparing him to Blake Griffin isn't fair IMO, what makes Griffin special is the vicious way he attacks the game, it is incredibly rare.

[crewcrazy]

Right now, I love the idea of a trade, mostly because I don't really like a lot of the names associated with the 10th pick. It's hard to tell what "10th pick money" is going to be with the CBA up in the air, but considering the talent difference between pick 10 and pick 23 isn't going to be that great this year, I'd be perfectly fine with moving back.

[jjkoestler]

Do the Bucks pull the trigger on Kemba if he is there at 10? I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and it sounds like there is a chance he will slide out of the top 10.

 

At this point I'm in favor of trading back as this draft class is the weakest in recent memory.

[fondybrewfan]

It sounds more and more like the Bucks are going to be trading back. Pretty good idea IMO. Perhaps they can move back to around 15; they probably still could get someone like Brooks at that point. Then they could use their 2nd 1st rounder from the trade to pick up another big man; preferably one that has some scoring ability.

 

But if they stay at #10 I want Klay. That guy has the most potential to help out the Bucks woeful offense. They need someone that can hit a shot.

[fondybrewfan]

Latest Rumor:

 

To the Rockets:

Ersan

#10

 

To the Bucks

#23

#24

Unknown player

[jjfanec]

Latest Rumor:

 

To the Rockets:

Ersan

#10

 

To the Bucks

#23

#24

Unknown player

I thought the first rumor was 10 for 13 and 24. How do we now have to add Ersan and get worse picks?

[PrinceEatMeat]

Latest Rumor:

 

To the Rockets:

Ersan

#10

 

To the Bucks

#23

#24

Unknown player

I thought the first rumor was 10 for 13 and 24. How do we now have to add Ersan and get worse picks?

It's 14 and 23. The Rockets don't even have the 24th pick. And the player is Patterson, Lee, or Hill. Possibly Budinger.

[yoshii8]

Houston has picks 14 and 23, and I think the player would be either Jordan Hill or Patrick Patterson.

[Nader Raider Tim]

I keep hoping for a draft day slide for Jan Veesly. Back when I was more into basketball 5-8 years ago Andrie Kiralenko (destroyed the name most likely) was a player I was in love with, and his name seems to always pop up as the comparison with Veesly. I keep hoping that his shooting 44% from the free throw line has him free falling into the Bucks lap. But then again if it is true that he only shot 44% from the free throw line, do I even really want him.

 

I may have actually talked myself out of a player I've been crushing on for a week or two no.

 

 

 

Also I saw the Rockets rumor too, and stopped by a fansite and they all are certain that Patterson wouldn't be involved in a deal if both picks were involved. It might have to be Ersan and #10 for Patterson and #23. I think they are underestimating Ersan and the Bucks could still potentially get the higher of the two picks. They also were enamored with the idea of getting Bogut though. Any Rockets rumor may be contingent on another deal or two though. They had were claiming locally they were hearing the Rockets have tried "over 10 senario's to get the #2 pick.

[rwa12]

I'd take that Houston trade with Patterson, not interested in Hill. Would hate to give up Ersan, I enjoy watching him. Like was said above, similar talent available between 10-35. Would rather have 2 role players out of this draft than 1.

[davego]

14, 23 and Hill would be pretty fair.

[yoshii8]

Ersan is rumored to want a buyout of his contract, so if that's true, I'd be happy w/ that trade. If not, I also love Ersan's game, especially two seasons ago, and hope that he stays a Buck.

[patrickgpe]

http://sports.espn.go.com...11/news/story?id=6696680

 

i know there is alot of misinformation this close to the draft, but if this is true and the reports out of houston are true, the bucks trading down may happen. i know there are reports that detroit is looking to move down with houston so that they can pick up tristian thompson or byombo.

[RockCoCougars]

Hopefully they trade back. I'm more intrigued by some guys that will slide out of the lottery than anything available at ten. I want no part of Kemba Walker- he's definitely going to be a bust, not a starting-caliber NBA point guard and too short and not good enough of a shooter to be a SG. I don't want any international player either if we have to let them 'mature' for a year or two while playing out their contract with another team. Take a flyer on an international player in the 2nd

 

By the way, I was reading this article in the MPLS Star Tribune today on Derrick Williams, and apparently he considers himself a SF.

 

http://www.startribune.co...ts/wolves/124139184.html

[fondybrewfan]

Oops.

 

Yes I meant Pick #13

[PrinceEatMeat]

Oops.

 

Yes I meant Pick #13

Nope, you meant pick 14.

[molitor fan]

I live in Charlotte and see a number of Bobcats games. Stephen Jackson, who is amongst the names being rumored to the Bucks is indeed crazy, but is an excellent player, tons better than Gerald Wallace. Twrl said on the realgm board that he is awful, but I completely disagree. I think the Bucks still can get Burks at 19.