Milwaukee Bucks 2010/2011

[FVBrewerFan]

Not to mention those defemsive stats are dependent on help defense and the overall defensive scheme. Is it a team that always doubles with the ball in the post? Does a player have a shot blocker behind him? Lots of variables factor in. Most importantly, the best defenders probably don't fair as well with those stats because they won't get as much help. Coaches will trust them to defend on their own and double elsewhere. For example, When Villanueva was here I'm pretty sure he got help every single time he defended in the post. Dwight Howard probably gets little or no help. Basketball is about team defense.

 

As far as PG goes, this team does not need AI. Even distactions aside, he's just not a very good player anymore and never was a true PG. I still smell a trade coming up. ersan, DelFino, or the Prince for a PG.

[yoshii8]

Strawboss:

 

When Gooden was traded to the Clips last year, he and Camby split time at the 4 with Kaman at the 5.

Camby was playing for Portland when Gooden was traded to the Clippers. They never split time. I think you will eventually be pleasantly surprised that Drew Gooden is not as awful as you think he is.

 

 

[Gobias Industries]

Woelfel had a column last night saying the Bucks aren't going to retain Ridnour. Also mentioned the Bucks are interested in FDL native Travis Diener. There's just no way you can go into the season with him as your backup pg though.

 

We need a guy who has some size. As twirl mentioned in the last thread, Keyon Dooling would be perfect. He's big, can hit the 3 ball, and he's a great teammate.

[Gobias Industries]

Yeah, yoshii, my bad. They weren't on the team together, so they didn't technically split time. The data still works though. They played with the same 4 players, and Gooden's was significantly worse on D while not being any better on O.

[homer]

Ridnour is a perfect fit for the Knicks, IMO.

[I Heart Brewers]

I know they play two different positions but based on age and talent doesn't Durant's 5yr/$86M deal look like a steal compared to the Bulls just signing Boozer for 5yr/$80M? Also, is he that much more valuable than Gooden? What's the contract difference, roughly $48M? That just sounds obscene to me.

[Baldkin]

Durant's deal is a complete steal.

Compare it to Amare's deal, too.

[JJHardy7]

I know they play two different positions but based on age and talent doesn't Durant's 5yr/$86M deal look like a steal compared to the Bulls just signing Boozer for 5yr/$80M? Also, is he that much more valuable than Gooden? What's the contract difference, roughly $48M? That just sounds obscene to me.

 

Someone else (like trwi7) knows more than I do about this, but I thought the 'max' deals were somewhat based on years in the league/service. In other words, I don't think that Durant could sign a max deal for the amount these other guys are getting. I very well could be wrong, but I thought that is exactly why Wade, James, etc. signed 3 year deals last time they were free agents. This way they could have the service time to maximize their next contract.

[JoeHova]

Durant's deal is a steal but every great young player's extension has been a steal since the NBA instituted max contracts. LeBron, Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade, etc.

 

Also, yes, Boozer is that much better than Gooden. Gooden is an essentially average player whereas Boozer is a top echelon player. It's a little like comparing Yovani to Dave Bush. Bush and Gooden are each nice to have around but Yovani and Boozer are guys that will dramatically improve your team.

[JoeHova]

Speaking of max contracts, it's crazy to think about what these guys would be getting if those didn't exist. Durant would probably be looking at an A-Rod type of extension and LeBron would be getting at least $40 million a year, imo. Wade would be getting somewhat less because he's older but it would still be well over the approximately $22 million per year he's looking at now. The owners are giving scrubs like Joe Johnson $20 million per, it would be crazy to see what they would give actual great players in an unrestricted market (I'm not advocating getting rid of max deals, I just think it's interesting to think about).

[trwi7]

I know they play two different positions but based on age and talent doesn't Durant's 5yr/$86M deal look like a steal compared to the Bulls just signing Boozer for 5yr/$80M? Also, is he that much more valuable than Gooden? What's the contract difference, roughly $48M? That just sounds obscene to me.

 

Someone else (like trwi7) knows more than I do about this, but I thought the 'max' deals were somewhat based on years in the league/service. In other words, I don't think that Durant could sign a max deal for the amount these other guys are getting. I very well could be wrong, but I thought that is exactly why Wade, James, etc. signed 3 year deals last time they were free agents. This way they could have the service time to maximize their next contract.

That's right.

[danzig6767]

Speaking of max contracts, it's crazy to think about what these guys would be getting if those didn't exist. Durant would probably be looking at an A-Rod type of extension and LeBron would be getting at least $40 million a year, imo. Wade would be getting somewhat less because he's older but it would still be well over the approximately $22 million per year he's looking at now. The owners are giving scrubs like Joe Johnson $20 million per, it would be crazy to see what they would give actual great players in an unrestricted market (I'm not advocating getting rid of max deals, I just think it's interesting to think about).

Yea elite true superstars are so incredibly valuable in the NBA, more so than in any other sports. Whatever they get paid, they are underpaid in regards to actual value they bring. Guys like James and Durant should make double or triple what Joe Johnson does if salaries weren't capped.

 

As for the Bucks, i'd want no part of Iverson. Anyone know if Shuan Livingston is an unrestricted free agent?

[trwi7]

Good news on Gooden's contract. GrandAdmiralDan of realgm has this post about Gooden's contract.

 

I do have some news on this front.
I have received certain indications that I can't elaborate on that Gooden's contract is structured more favorably for the Bucks than is being reported and that it is NOT completely guaranteed. I'm afraid I don't have more details than that at this juncture, but I had been operating under the assumption that this contract was fully guaranteed, based on previous reports. That does not appear to be the case. I wish I had the details already, because they are very significant in evaluating this deal.

I trust him on pretty much everything, especially things like contracts and the CBA. So this is good news.

[JJHardy7]

trwi7,

 

That seems more in line with what I heard from some of my friends/family. I don't think they have any connection at all to the Bucks or anything, but they were saying something like the last 2 years were not guaranteed, but I don't know if that is 100% accurate. This is really good news if true and IMO makes the Bucks off-season pretty strong. I just hope we land a backup PG.

[yoshii8]

Well, Lebron picked Miami and they are now my least favorite team. I really hope they don't win a championship w/ those three, that would be hilarious.

[gobrew23]

Well, Lebron picked Miami and they are now my least favorite team. I really hope they don't win a championship w/ those three, that would be hilarious.

Also makes the Central division very winnable now for the Bucks. The Bulls should be a little better as well, but I like the Bucks chances.

 

 

[trwi7]

Beautiful.

[Diskono]

Mark Attanasio would have been like "don't worry guys I got this" and then signed Derek Fisher to a max contract.

[nate82]

At least Lebron signed with Miami and not the Knicks. I don't know what is worse Yankee fans or Knicks fans (if there are any left that is).

[JimH5]

Beautiful.

That is an AWESOME letter!

 

I don't think they'll win a championship any time soon. . .but still--I love the backlash and criticism that LeBron is getting over his antics.

 

 

 

 

[trwi7]

Gilbert was just on the radio and said LeBron quit on the Cavs in the playoffs. And anybody who watched that series against Boston knows it's true. He flat out quit on his team.

 

LeBron is a major (several words I can't use on this forum.)

[homer]

Is Miami the most hated team in sports right now?

[wallus]

Is Miami the most hated team in sports right now?

Maybe the NBA but the Yankees are much more hated for sure.

[Invader3K]

I guess you could say the Heat are the Yankees of the NBA at this point.

 

And that letter from Dan Gilbert is pretty hilarious. Not sure how he can reasonably guarantee his fans a championship any time soon, though.

[Diskono]

My favorite part of the letter is the comic sans.