Put them all on the market

[wibadgers23]

mlbtraderumors notes that we are listening on Fielder and Hart, but aren't interested in trading Weeks.

The Brewers are listening to offers on Prince Fielder and Corey Hart, tweets ESPN.com's Buster Olney. The tweet echoes a similar report by Jeff Fletcher of AOL FanHouse, though Olney suggests that the Brewers have no interest in moving Rickie Weeks.

[Invader3K]

Well, I hope that's not true. I can see not shopping him as aggressively; but I would hope Melvin would be willing to deal Weeks if some team is willing to give a decent value.

[logan82]

I would hope Melvin would be willing to deal anybody if some team is willing to give a decent value.

[nate82]

Having no interest in trading someone doesn't mean you won't listen to offers. Obviously if Melvin is blown away by someone for Weeks he would make the trade. That statement probably has more to do with there being very little interest in Weeks in the trade market.

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into that blurb. It's probably just reporting an 'I'm not inclined to move Lyle Overbay'-type comment.

[PilprinBuddha]

I get a sick feeling in my stomach when I think of Melvin dealing Hart, Prince , and or Weeks. It seems as though everytime we add players via trade we take steps backwards.

 

I just don't have the confidence I once did in Melvin. He is a typical Brewer type....mediocre to slightly above average.

 

I doubt any of the players we get in return for Prince will be worth a damn and will likely be "just bodies"

 

Melvin seems to wait too long to pull the trigger on deals (Mike Cameron for Melky Cabreara) or what we hear is complete BS. (which is possible)

 

Garza might be a nice starting point for a deal...but why would the Rays do that again??

 

My question is....take CC out of the equation... which major contributors has Melvin acquired via FA or trade? I can't think of many and unfortunately with Fielder and Hart....thats how they will get replaced.

[nate82]

Melvin seems to wait too long to pull the trigger on deals (Mike Cameron for Melky Cabreara) or what we hear is complete BS. (which is possible)

Oh god not this again. The Yankees wanted the Brewers to pay some of Cameron's salary and Melky Cabrera is HORRIBLE. You want to talk about an over hyped Yankee prospect? Example number one is Melky Cabrera the guy is nothing more than a 4th or 5th OF and yet is glorified as an all star for some reason. Cameron for Cabrera would have been one of the worst trades in a long time and if Melvin would have done that trade he should have been fired on the spot for doing that. Lets put Melky in perspective here he is worse defensively than Gomez and he is probably going to be worse offensively than Gomez.

[RockCoCougars]

The problem in trading Fielder or Hart now (I'm not even considering trading Weeks because it would be asinine) is that the only teams that want them are in contention. Teams in contention are not going to give up any major league pitching. That's why any deals need to be made in the off season.

[PilprinBuddha]

Melvin seems to wait too long to pull the trigger on deals (Mike Cameron for Melky Cabreara) or what we hear is complete BS. (which is possible)

Oh god not this again. The Yankees wanted the Brewers to pay some of Cameron's salary and Melky Cabrera is HORRIBLE. You want to talk about an over hyped Yankee prospect? Example number one is Melky Cabrera the guy is nothing more than a 4th or 5th OF and yet is glorified as an all star for some reason. Cameron for Cabrera would have been one of the worst trades in a long time and if Melvin would have done that trade he should have been fired on the spot for doing that. Lets put Melky in perspective here he is worse defensively than Gomez and he is probably going to be worse offensively than Gomez.

I'm sorry, but keeping Cameron got us nothing.

 

Gomez sucks....he is a Mets overhyped POS. The Twins couldn't wait to unload him after a year. Cabrera might be overhyped...I'll give you that, but to say that he is worse than Gomez....ouch....I don't think so....plus he is a switch hitter which is a nice concept on our out of balanced lineup.

 

Was Melky the end all....heck no, but I'd rather have him and Hardy (or trade Hardy for something else) than nothing and Gomez.

 

[endaround]

"which major contributors has Melvin acquired via FA or trade?"

 

Seriously? Casey McGehee, Mike Cameron, Craig Counsell, Dave Bush, Chris Capuano, Doug Davis, Francisco Cordero, Carlos Lee, Lyle Overbay, Felipe Lopez

[nate82]

Gomez sucks....he is a Mets overhyped POS. The Twins couldn't wait to unload him after a year. Cabrera might be overhyped...I'll give you that, but to say that he is worse than Gomez....ouch....I don't think so....plus he is a switch hitter which is a nice concept on our out of balanced lineup.

 

No lineup is ever balanced and the Brewers really do not need a singles hitting switch hitter to "balance" out the lineup both Escobar and Gomez can do that. Cabrera is horrible he wasn't even getting the majority of the playing time when McClouth was playing really bad for the Braves in the beginning of the year. At best Melky is a 4th or a 5th outfielder not something you would trade Cameron for. Yes the Brewers got nothing for Cameron but the Brewers really didn't need to get anything for him. If the best the Brewers could have gotten for Cameron was a 4th or 5th outfielder then no thanks to that deal. The Brewers really are not short on OF talent in the minors either and if Cain wouldn't have gotten hurt last year the Brewers would have had him playing CF this year and Cain is ten times the player Melky will ever be or could be so that trade doesn't really make sense at all either in those terms.

 

Melky doesn't do anything great while Gomez has great speed on the base paths and can steal more bases than Melky. Melky is fast but he is a horrible base runner and he is even worse at judging when to steal a base. Gomez is far better than Melky.

[PeaveyFury]

overhyped POS.

 

Abbreviated swearing like this isn't allowed here, for the record.

[PilprinBuddha]

sorry http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

[PilprinBuddha]

"which major contributors has Melvin acquired via FA or trade?"

 

Seriously? Casey McGehee, Mike Cameron, Craig Counsell, Dave Bush, Chris Capuano, Doug Davis, Francisco Cordero, Carlos Lee, Lyle Overbay, Felipe Lopez

Ok...there are more than I thought....Was Overbay really acquired by Melvin? If so, he has been there a long time.

 

I guess the point I am failing to make is....i don't know if I trust Melvin anymore....on the flipside it could be a lot worse...ugh.

 

 

[jwill535]

The only trade you can quibble with in terms of return would be the Lee trade, since they got marginal major league players instead of high upside younger players for a team that was still a couple years away.

[PeaveyFury]

Most of Melvin's bad moves have been with the bigger free agent acquisitions. Most of his trades have been pretty good.

[Mr QL]

I wouldn't sell until Melvin gets fired. I have 0 confidence of him building a contending team.

[brewmann04]

melvin undoing has been his FA pitching signings.

[Never Outhustled]

The only trade you can quibble with in terms of return would be the Lee trade, since they got marginal major league players instead of high upside younger players for a team that was still a couple years away.

 

Davis/Eveland for negative value Estrada was abysmal. Hardy for Gomez was bad. The fact that we've never gotten a core guy is bad.

[PeaveyFury]

Hardy for Gomez was bad.

 

Hardy has been hurt and worse than Gomez so far this year (which really says something) while making a lot of money. It remains to be seen how Hardy performs when he's not having the injury issues, but you'd also hope that Gomez would develop a bit over the next couple of seasons as he hits his peak. Too early to tell on that trade, IMO.

[MNBrew]

The only trade you can quibble with in terms of return would be the Lee trade, since they got marginal major league players instead of high upside younger players for a team that was still a couple years away.

The Lee trade got them ~1.5 years of an All-Star-caliber closer. Cordero's hardly a marginal major league player. Mench, Nix, & Julian Cordero, yes. But not Francisco Cordero.

 

Yes, there were no high-upside young players in the deal. But F. Cordero was, all in all, a godsend at that point in time!

[jwill535]

My point was that All Star closer was on a team that was a couple years away and not really needed at that time as compared to getting high upside players.

[PeaveyFury]

My point was that All Star closer was on a team that was a couple years away and not really needed at that time as compared to getting high upside players.

 

That 2007 Brewers team led the division until early September and finished only 2 games behind the Cubs, so they weren't far away at all.

[jwill535]

My point still remains, that a closer at that time was nearly as important to this team then getting talent that would be helpful now and in the 2009, 10, 11 years when the youth that was on that 07 team would be in their prime.

 

And yes I realize that they thought they could resign Cordero.

[Never Outhustled]

Hardy for Gomez was bad.

 

Hardy has been hurt and worse than Gomez so far this year (which really says something)

 

Worse? Based on what? Hardy, despite missing time with injury, has been worth more than 3 times the WAR.