General Draft Discussion

[CheezWizHed]

Can anyone guess what round the brewers will take their first canadian?

 

I'm going to "guess" the 7th round...

[Diggr14]

4 of out 5 pitchers. I know we need some pitching, but really?

 

halfway surprised it wasnt 5 out of 5. They said they were going heavy on the arms this draft. I believed them.

[battlekow]

Sun Prairie native Kurtis Muller was just drafted by the Reds in the 22nd round out of Iowa.

[nate82]

5th rounder, Matt Miller from Michigan...he's 6'6" but had a 5.06 era this year and 4.56 era in his 3 years of college...kind of scratching my head at that pick

Stats don't always tell the full story. He throws in the low 90's with his fastball and if he can command his breaking pitch he could become a good bullpen option.

[DHonks]

So far a ton of pitching, but given that we lack good bats, we could see the system scoring 3 or fewer runs a lot over the next few years.

 

RHP- 2 HS + 12 Coll/JC = 14

LHP- 2 HS + 3 Coll = 5

1B - 1 Coll

MI - 1 HS + 2 Coll = 3

3B - 3 Coll

OF - 1 HS + 1 Coll = 2

C - 1 HS + 1 Coll = 2

[CheezWizHed]

Anyone drafted in the late teens that would be an above slot signing like Scooter and Howell from last year?

[uwisfan]

the focus on third base seems a bit interesting considering how long Gamel & McGehee are locked up. Maybe they also see them as 1B/RF/LF

[logan82]

By the time anybody drafted this year reaches the majors Gamel and McGehee will have used up at least half their service time.(Gamel 3 years/McGehee 4 years after the 2012 season) That is assuming a very fast rise to the majors.(A ball 2011, AA 2012, the majors 2013) Middle infielders would be my preference but a guy who is athletic and can play 3B can probably play any corner infield of OF spot.

[wallus]

Congrats to Beaver Dam graduate Collin Kuhn for getting drafted in the 15th round by the Tigers.

[Never Outhustled]

Anyone drafted in the late teens that would be an above slot signing like Scooter and Howell from last year?

 

Yes, 1, LHP Daniel Gibson. Like Scooter and Howell, he's in BA's top 200.

[battlekow]

Yes, 1, LHP Daniel Gibson. Like Scooter and Howell, he's in BA's top 200.

So is Thomas Keeling (18th round).

[DHonks]

I'm a bit surprised that over half their players have been pitchers given how strong their young pitching is in the minors. Next year we'll need a ton of hitters to make up for three pitching heavy drafts

[TheCrew07]

Me too DHonks, I'm really into a couple of the hitters, but I would have expected a more even split, my hope is that they were going BPA, but I'm having a difficult time with the Jimmy Nelson pick being BPA. Maybe it's the Suppan comparison, but there's no upside with this pick at all... Arnett and Heckathorn still had room to grow. It strikes me like a sabermetric pick that a bunch of organizations were making through the mid part of the decade when they were running their farm systems into the ground. Every year I seem to have one pick that gets stuck in my craw for whatever reason.

 

edit. I should add that the conflicting velocity reports really bother me in regards to Nelson. The Brewers said he works in the 90s,. MLB says he touches 94, everyone else says he's best 88-90 because his FB has more life.

[Never Outhustled]

I'm having a difficult time with the Jimmy Nelson pick being BPA. Maybe it's the Suppan comparison, but there's no upside with this pick at all... Arnett and Heckathorn still had room to grow. It strikes me like a sabermetric pick that a bunch of organizations were making through the mid part of the decade when they were running their farm systems into the ground

I don't see Nelson as a sabermetric pick at all, how could he be when he wasn't productive? His ERA was almost 4, with less than a K per inning. He's a typical Brewers pick, and unproductive sinkerballer, in the Jon Garland mode. I don't know where those Suppan comps come from, they're nothing alike. There's dozens of big sinkerballer types in the bigs, Nelson, at his very best, is one of those. An Armando Galaraga type, or even our own Kam Loe.

 

Thornberg is disappointing too, a 3rd rounder with an ERA over 4 versus mediocre compitition.

 

I'll just pretend we lost our 2nd rounder for claiming Casey Magehee last year, and that Hunter Morris was our 3rd. I beg every year to grab numerous college power hitters. 1Bs are usually underdrafted, and Morris was too. Good get. You can't fake that production.

 

I will give the Brewers a break in the fact that its now easy to see why scouts were calling this a bad draft. Theres no depth to it at all. The worst I've seen. The only way the Brewers could have done anything much different was if they'd ponied up for AJ Cole.

[pete]

At what point does it become a logistical problem with too many pitchers?

[FVBrewerFan]

At what point does it become a logistical problem with too many pitchers?

Never. Put it this way. If every pitcher drafted looked really great in rookie camp, don't you think there is plenty of room for them in Helena, AZ, and Appleton? Each one of those rosters have pitchers who are really stinking it up. It's the law of avergaes. Pick enough guys who have talent, and you're more likely to find special players.

 

 

 

 

[CheezWizHed]

Yes, 1, LHP Daniel Gibson. Like Scooter and Howell, he's in BA's top 200.

 

So is Thomas Keeling (18th round).

 

So Keeling is a junior and can return to OK. Reports of throwing across the body concern me. But I suppose a lot of guys have that issue to be "corrected" and without his excellent strikeout rate.

 

Gibson is committed to U of FL and since he was drafted in the 26th round, I'm guessing he is going to be a hard sign... But also sounds like he has room to improve his velocity.

[battlekow]

Keith Law on the Brewers' second day:

 

The Brewers took a number of polished, low-upside college arms on day

two, led by Alabama's Jimmy Nelson (55 fastball 45 slider) and

hard-throwing Tyler

Thornburg. Fourth-rounder Hunter Morris doesn't project

to make enough contact to stick in the big leagues given his limited

defensive profile, and Tennessee's Cody Hawn is cut from similar

cloth. Twentieth-rounder Shea Vucinich is a solid defensive

shortstop but hit just .261 this spring with aluminum. Tough signs

include Daniel Gibson, a lefty from the Tampa area who's

committed to Florida.

[battlekow]

Jim Callis:

James (Kenosha,WI): Who besides Dylan Covey stands out in the Brewers draft.

 

Jim Callis: That draft looks pretty ordinary to me. I like Jimmy Nelson (2nd), Tyler Thornburg (3rd) and Hunter Morris (4th) to some extent, but they don't blow me away compared to a lot of the other picks in those rounds.

[Tedaldtada]

I'm just gonna wait until august 18th to comment on this draft. X is right, the talent in this draft was pretty pitiful.

[YoungGeezy]

I'm not going to judge this draft until this time next year at the earliest. They have to settle in, adjust to the difference, they are already beat up from the high school college season, and some won't be signed early enough to play.

 

I completely disagree with X unless he has been to watch every prospect multiple times. All we have to go off is some scouting reports most of which the scout only sees them once maybe twice and short 30 second videos. Hard to be able get a good read on a player and project how good he will be by watching them once or twice. Now with that said, as of right now this class doesn't have me jumping up and down but we have in the past and many of those have been disappointing as hell. The draft is a true crap shoot, every prospect is hit or miss. Some rate to be future all-stars and fall on their face and there are some who project to be career minor leaguer who turns into a all-star.

 

I personally don't know how Nelson will turn out, he just turned 21 or is just turning 21 so it is hard to believe he has no upside or room to grow. I am not going to look at his stats to get a read eighter because college stats are useless. ERA doesn't really matter, college is a hitters game. So to say his ERA is almost 4.00 doesn't mean much, he pitched what 80IP's? You throw in one or two bad outtings that ERA will balloon and not make it back down much.

 

I personally will wait til everyone starts playing before I make a judgement on how much talent and upside a kid has. I respect Callis and all those other guys but they don't have every single prospect pegged correctly and fair enough. They have 2,000+ kids to look at a season, how much time do they have to scout every single player, more than the Brewer scouts who watch like every games?

 

I learned from coaching that it is often the years you think that you will not be that great that you have your best seasons and when you are extremely excited about a team it doesn't turn out according to plan. Same can go for the draft

[YoungGeezy]

http://www.perfectgame.org/images/profilepics/09nat69.jpg

http://midwestswing.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/mat-gamel-300x450-b.jpg

 

Wow hard to tell that Matt Gamel(bottom) and recently drafted Yankees, (10th rd) Ben Gamel(top) are brothers or even related haha. Ben is a little bit smaller (5'11 170) but will mostly like fill out like big bro

[battlekow]

Wow hard to tell that Matt (bottom) and his recently drafted (Yankees, 10th rd) Ben (top) are brothers or even related haha. Ben is a little bit smaller (5'11 170) but will mostly like fill out like big bro....

Really? I think they look a lot alike, especially the mouth and nose. You could have convinced me the top picture was a picture of Mat from high school.

[YoungGeezy]

Wow hard to tell that Matt (bottom) and his recently drafted (Yankees, 10th rd) Ben (top) are brothers or even related haha. Ben is a little bit smaller (5'11 170) but will mostly like fill out like big bro....

Really? I think they look a lot alike, especially the mouth and nose. You could have convinced me the top picture was a picture of Mat from high school.

Are you countering my sarcasm or thought I was being serious, lol hard to tell. But yeah that is why I posted the picture of both of them, they look almost identical. The facial structure, nose, mouth, eyes and even the curly hair is just a like.

 

Would have been cool if the Brewers would have picked Ben up much like they did Jemille Weeks a few years back. From what I read offensively they are pretty comparable, defensively Ben plays the the outfield and I guess he is average there. The one big difference was that Mat was not very high touted coming out of high school and very low profile, Ben was a much more recongized appealing high school prospect who was committed to Florida St.

 

EDIT: I put it in blue now to show the sarcasm

[battlekow]

Sorry, I guess rounding up links and spending too much time wondering why Florida A&M never bothered to update their baseball site for 2010 has put me in a serious mood; I didn't realize you were being sarcastic.