RHP Kameron Loe called up; Stern DFA'd; Estrada placed on 15-day DL

[battlekow]

McCalvy with the news. Loe's been decent for Nashville this year, but I wouldn't expect much. Loe's not on the 40-man, so the Brewers will need to clear yet another spot there; no word on the move, though McCalvy speculates that Suppan might get DFA'd.

[trwi7]

Since Estrada has pitched three days in a row and hasn't been very good since his debut in Cincinnati, I have to imagine he's going down.

[battlekow]

Since Estrada has pitched three days in a row and hasn't been very good since his debut in Cincinnati, I have to imagine he's going down.

That won't suffice, since it won't clear a spot on the 40-man. It could be coupled with a DFAing of Luis Cruz or Adam Heether, but getting rid of Suppan seems more straightforward.

[Invader3K]

I guess you just beat me to this.

 

Not an exciting option, and not sure if they're going to use him as a starter or reliever at this point. Hopefully he can do well either way, because obviously the Brewers' pitching needs some help at this point. Will be very interesting to see what the corresponding roster move ends up being.

[thablingster]

Zaun to the 60-day DL could clear a 40 man spot if they don't want to DFA anyone. Loe's another arm to throw at the wall who could give us multiple innings if nothing else.

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

This corresponding roster move intrigues me.

[jeffy]

Since they had to make a decision on him by Saturday, maybe they want to try to see what they have while Davis is still out?

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Anyone have a scouting report on Loe? Does he throw in the 90's? What are his secondary pitches?

[trwi7]

Since Estrada has pitched three days in a row and hasn't been very good since his debut in Cincinnati, I have to imagine he's going down.

That won't suffice, since it won't clear a spot on the 40-man. It could be coupled with a DFAing of Luis Cruz or Adam Heether, but getting rid of Suppan seems more straightforward.

 

I realized that right after I clicked submit and then I got an error message and couldn't edit the post. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/ohwell.gif

 

TuesdaysWithRillo wrote:

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Anyone have a scouting report on Loe? Does he throw in the 90's? What are his secondary pitches?

According to fangraphs, he's mainly a fastball guy in the upper 80s with a ton of movement (based on his GB%). Secondary pitches are curveball, slider and change, throwing the curve the most.

[And That]

Another straightforward move would be DFA'ing Estrada, though that goes against the Brewers' mantra of keeping depth.

[Funketown]

I'll admit that I'm not excited about Loe, and I even prefer Estrada to him in a long relief role, but it will be interesting to see what roster moves are made to facilitate this.

[RockCoCougars]

Hopefully Mark & Doug are in the middle of their break-up call to Soup as we speak. I'm somewhat optimistic that is the case, due to the delayed corresponding move.

[DuWayne Steurer]

The only way this interests me in the slightest is if the end result is cutting Suppan.

 

However, I don't think Loe makes the team any better. This is akin to throwing doo-doo against the wall and seeing what sticks. Well, in my opinion, if you throw a bunch of crap against a wall, all you end up with is a wall that smells like crap.

 

This move seems like making a move to make a move, and nothing else.

[LouisEly]

As others have said Loe may be just as bad as Suppan, but MLEs are often wrong one way or another so at least Loe has a chance to be better. I'll take replacement-level over Suppan, because he has been below replacement-level.

 

That coupled with the booing, and a change needs to be made. If nothing else, to keep a majority of the fan base from rioting.

[BREWCREW5]

Im sorry but it is hard to believe that Loe could not be any better than Suppan based solely off of his AAA numbers so far. I think that we could all agree that Suppan probably could not have an ERA under 6 if he pitched for any level of pro ball.

 

I am not even being down on him, but he has completely lost it.

[TooLiveBrew]

While Loe may be better than Soup, he's not any kind of long-term answer. I guess if you had to call him up or risk losing him, you call him up. Color me unexcited.

[igor67]

Is Bronswell Patrick available for a start?

[davego]

If you call him, try Dave Manning's house.

[craigharmann]

Is Bronswell Patrick available for a start?

I always liked Bronswell, just on name alone. For a while, I thought about naming my firstborn son Bronswell Patrick Harmann.....daughter was born first.....wife probably wouldn't like it.

[Invader3K]

While Loe may be better than Soup, he's not any kind of long-term answer. I guess if you had to call him up or risk losing him, you call him up. Color me unexcited.

I don't think anyone is proclaiming Loe as a long term fixture. We're going to have to wait for a trade or the off-season to see any kind of long term solutions for the rotation.

[TooLiveBrew]

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was calling him that. Just that I'm completely underwhelmed by this news.

[JohnBriggs12]

Loe is one year older than Manny Parra. Loe has logged 343 career innings to Parra's 363.

 

Compared to Parra, Loe has the better career ERA (4.77 to 5.08) and better career WHIP (1.516 to 1.660)

 

Loe's entire major league career was spent in the AL pitching for a team that plays in a hitter's park. Parra's entire major league career has been in the NL.

 

Now if you assume both are completely healthy, who's the better pitcher? The stats say Loe.

 

Loe is also decidedly a ground ball pitcher (1.82 to 1 GO/AO ratio) who tends to not run up pitch counts (3.61 pitches per AB).

[TooLiveBrew]

When a full-time starter, Loe's production in the bigs has been bad. ERA well over 5, and he's never had a season with the kind of success Manny had in 2008. And his stuff doesn't begin to compare to Parra's. Not sure why you seem to enjoy painting him as the guy that should be taking Parra's job, but that's not what he'll do. He'll wind up taking Suppan's job, most likely.

[JohnBriggs12]

When a full-time starter, Loe's production in the bigs has been bad. ERA well over 5, and he's never had a season with the kind of success Manny had in 2008. And his stuff doesn't begin to compare to Parra's. Not sure why you seem to enjoy painting him as the guy that should be taking Parra's job, but that's not what he'll do. He'll wind up taking Suppan's job, most likely.

In 2005, Loe went 9-6 with a 3.42 ERA in 48 games including 8 starts. I think that compares very favorably with what Parra did in 2008.

 

Loe as a starter is 13-19 with a 5.08 ERA. How is that "well over 5"? Parra is 21-19 with a 5.23 ERA.

 

Where did I say he should be taking Parra's job? I never said or even implied that. I compared him to Parra for the simple reason that they are of similar age and experience and that if someone thinks Parra belongs in the majors, then it's fair to say so does Loe.

 

As for stuff, at what point do results trump stuff?

[TheCrew07]

I would like Parra to be given one last extended look as a starter and this seems to be the perfect year for it as we aren't going to playoffs regardless. If he fails again then I'd be satisfied with him in a bullpen role and be ready to move on. I would be willing to concede that whatever he had when he pitched that perfect game in AAA, he'll likely never find. Parra has been Macha's doghouse for a long time now, Parra and Narveson are the only pitchers who I remember Macha openly criticizing, and Macha has demonstrated a willingness to let Parra work through things on the mound, he's had the quickest hook of any pitcher.

 

Manny has made his own bed here, but so have Macha and Melvin, I just don't like this entire situation.

 

edit. By extended look I'm talking at least 15 starts in a row, but since he's going back to the BP, I doubt that's going to happen.