Zack Greinke [Latest: Deal for Odorizzi/Cain/Escobar/Jeffress in place? reply 464]

[Invader3K]

We'd probably have to give up at least Odorizzi, Jeffress, Cain, and maybe one or two other pieces to get him. I just don't know if that's worth it for two years of a starting pitcher.

[GAME05]

i'm not one for trading the system for a player, but we'll have about three years to rebuild our system since all but Fielder are locked up long-term. there won't be an immediate need to replace an upcoming FA with a minor leaguer. we'd have those years to develop Fielder's draft picks, or else we'd be in position to just take the best available offer for Fielder regardless of their position.

[Robideaux]

I seriously doubt it. Just about any organization out there could

easily top that offer. It's Odorizzi + Gamel + spare parts, really.

And that's probably only because I'm a big Gamel backer. Most people

would probably see it as Odorizzi + filler.

 

You are probably right that it is not enough, though I think/hope Gamel still has some value. His bat should play, assuming he can find a position other than 1st base. Heck, he'd probably be their best hitting outfielder, if he could play a corner spot. The "any other prospect other than Cain, Jeffress, or Rogers" is also more than filler. That would likely be Ken. Davis, Peralta, Rivas, or Heckathorn, depending on what strikes KC's fancy.

 

Still probably not enough. I guess I just feel as a small market franchise, you need to know when to put your chips on the table and go for it. I'd rather be a serious contender for 2 years and suffer through a few rebuilding/retooling years, than settle for sustained mediocrity.

[endaround]

Gamel has no role in KC. And if Jeffress is looked on as a reliever by most he has next to no value. Parra has no value.

[Invader3K]

Gamel has no role in KC. And if Jeffress is looked on as a reliever by most he has next to no value. Parra has no value.

You're probably right. Especially about Gamel not having much value to KC. We'd probably have to do Odorizzi, Rogers, Cain or something. I think that's too costly to Milwaukee.

[logan82]

If Melvin offers Odorizzi, Gamel, Parra, Gomez, and any other prospect in the system other than Jeffress, Rodgers, or Cain, is that enough for two years of Greinke?

 

I seriously doubt it. Just about any organization out there could easily top that offer. It's Odorizzi + Gamel + spare parts, really. And that's probably only because I'm a big Gamel backer. Most people would probably see it as Odorizzi + filler.

The Royals have a lot of corner infielders already. They might even be more stacked there than we are.

[PeaveyFury]

Parra has no value.

 

Oddly enough, if there's a team where there might be value seen in him is KC because of the Ned connection- maybe they'd be interested if Yost felt he could fix him or something.

[crewcrazy]

As cool as it is to keep hearing the Brewers being brought up in the Greinke rumors, I'm not sure I'd like it if they actually did pull off a trade, or even if the Brewers have the pieces to swing a deal without getting another team involved. The best deal for KC I could think of is Odorizzi, Scarpetta, Jeffress, and Cain for Greinke, but that's probably not enough. Odorizzi and Scarpetta would give the Royals the two pitching prospects they're looking for, Jeffress could get a prolonged shot as a starter in a place like KC, and Cain gives them a major-league ready bat. The quantity would be there, but I'm not sure the quality would be good enough for them (and I'd be sick to my stomach from the Brewers' perspective).

[Gobias Industries]

If you're serious about making an all out run for it, I think you tell the Royals pick 4 of anyone outside Braun, Yo, Weeks, Hart, Fielder, McG, Marcum.....players they wouldn't have interest in anyways. If they don't do that, move on to Shields or Garza.

[PrinceFielderx1]

The Brewers don't really have a spot in their rotation for Parra and probably wont give him much of a shot in the rotation in 2011. I can see another team not in contention valuing Parra much higher than the Brewers would, because unlike the Brewers the Royals can be patient with him. I don't really think Parra has a role on this Brewers team right now.

[derflotr]

The best deal for KC I could think of is Odorizzi, Scarpetta, Jeffress, and Cain for Greinke, but that's probably not enough.

Really? Good god. If Brett Lawrie is truly worth Shaun Marcum Zack Greinke must be Bob Gibson. He's really good but he's not THAT good.

[chadomac]

The best deal for KC I could think of is Odorizzi, Scarpetta, Jeffress, and Cain for Greinke, but that's probably not enough.

Really? Good god. If Brett Lawrie is truly worth Shaun Marcum Zack Greinke must be Bob Gibson. He's really good but he's not THAT good.

I guess we'll never really know for sure - but I don't think there's any way we'd have to give up that much. That's ridiculous. Two of our better prospects and a not-so-great one would get this trade done, I think.

[Invader3K]

I don't really think Parra has a role on this Brewers team right now.

I disagree. I think Parra looked really good out of the pen last year after he was pulled out of the rotation. I hope they keep him around as a middle reliever type.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Invader3k,

 

I agree that Parra should be working out of the pen, because of his success there in September. I just think the Brewers don't see Parra as a reliever and think that his value is highest as a SP and will trade him to a team that will make him one. I think there are teams that are not in contention that would be interested in Parra and make him a SP. I see Parra getting traded, because of the Brewers unwillingness to say to Parra you are now a reliever.

[trwi7]

Teams aren't going to give up a lot for Parra the starter because of how he has fared as a starter. His value to us as a reliever is more valuable than what we would get for him in a trade imo.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I see Manny Parra as a very good throw in for a trade. He could put a trade offer over the top. Manny Parra is very valuable to the Brewers out of the pen, but many teams would value Parra the same way. If a team is in need of starting pitching then Manny Parra would be even more attractive to them especially if they are able to be patient with him. At worst they can put him in the bullpen.

[crewcrazy]

The best deal for KC I could think of is Odorizzi, Scarpetta, Jeffress, and Cain for Greinke, but that's probably not enough.

Really? Good god. If Brett Lawrie is truly worth Shaun Marcum Zack Greinke must be Bob Gibson. He's really good but he's not THAT good.

I guess we'll never really know for sure - but I don't think there's any way we'd have to give up that much. That's ridiculous. Two of our better prospects and a not-so-great one would get this trade done, I think.

The only reason I'm saying something like that wouldn't do it is because the people associated with the Royals are saying the Brewers flat-out don't have what it takes to get a deal done. When they're asking for Snider and Drabek from Toronto (and the Jays are rightfully balking), I don't think the Brewers can compete.

[And That]

The best shot the Brewers have at Greinke is for everyone to balk from KC's demands and wait for the asking price to come down. Unfortunately, it just takes one team to overpay.

[cvollbrecht]

I think trading them Hart could be an interesting possibilitiy since they showed interest in him a while back. He's now almost a steal of a contract considering Werth's deal

 

Hart, Braddock/Jeffress/Rogers, Scarpetta, Peralta

 

Put Gamel in RF and you got a dang good team going into next year.

[trwi7]

Why would they want Hart? They'd rather pay Greinke, a much better player than Hart for two years than trade for Hart at this point. And Hart's contract isn't a bargain right now, if he reverts back to 2008 and 2009, it's a horrible contract.

[Invader3K]

The Royals wouldn't have much use for Hart. They have plenty of OF/1B types already. The more I think about these trade ideas, the less I think the Brewers match up with the Royals for Greinke at all. Let some other team like the Rangers or Yankees (whoever doesn't sign Lee) gut their farm systems for him.

[HiAndTight]

If you're serious about making an all out run for it, I think you tell the Royals pick 4 of anyone outside Braun, Yo, Weeks, Hart, Fielder, McG, Marcum.....players they wouldn't have interest in anyways. If they don't do that, move on to Shields or Garza.

Why wouldn't they want McGehee? 4 years left....

[HiAndTight]

Why would they want Hart? They'd rather pay Greinke, a much better player than Hart for two years than trade for Hart at this point. And Hart's contract isn't a bargain right now, if he reverts back to 2008 and 2009, it's a horrible contract.

I don't think the trade was Hart for Greinke straight up.

[paulmolitor4]

Essentially, The Royals are waiting for some team stupid enough to WAY overpay for Greinke. I like Greinke as a pitcher, but come on, he's been inconsistent and has only had one really good year.

[endaround]

The Royals are pretty stocked at the corners. They would take LuCroy, Escobar and Cain for Greinke in a second. Or they should at least.