Zack Greinke [Latest: Deal for Odorizzi/Cain/Escobar/Jeffress in place? reply 464]

[Hate those Rodents]

It might take Cain, Escobar, Lucroy, and Odorizzi to get a deal done for Greinke. KC can demand even more once teams leave the winter meetings with holes in their rotation. Despite the desire for Greinke, I am pretty sure most everyone would wish we did not obtain him in hindsight after seeing how much more we will/wound end up having to giving up than whay some of you think it'll cost.

[wibadgers23]

It might take Cain, Escobar, Lucroy, and Odorizzi to get a deal done for Greinke. KC can demand even more once teams leave the winter meetings with holes in their rotation. Despite the desire for Greinke, I am pretty sure most everyone would wish we did not obtain him in hindsight after seeing how much more we will/wound end up having to giving up than whay some of you think it'll cost.

KC would be absolutely ridiculous to turn down that kind of an offer. I mean, if that is seriously what KC is asking for, then forget it.

 

 

[Tedaldtada]

Normally, I am a keep the prospects guy, but if you can get Greinke you have to do it. My only caveat would be that the Royals could only choose one of Odorizzi/Rogers/Peralta/Jeffress. Take Alcides, Lorenzo, and/or Mat. We can replace the offense, it is much harder to get a Greinke.

[Warning Track Power]

It might take Cain, Escobar, Lucroy, and Odorizzi to get a deal done for Greinke. KC can demand even more once teams leave the winter meetings with holes in their rotation. Despite the desire for Greinke, I am pretty sure most everyone would wish we did not obtain him in hindsight after seeing how much more we will/wound end up having to giving up than whay some of you think it'll cost.

If that is what it takes you can guarantee the Brewers won't do it. Creating 3 massive holes in the everyday lineup for one starter would be foolish regardless of who the pitcher is. Any subsequent Fielder deal would have to fill two of those holes with major leaguers or major league ready talent.

 

 

[trwi7]

I'm not really seeing three massive holes in the lineup. Escobar had a .614 OPS last year and Lucroy was at .629. You could sign Zaun or somebody like that and go with Counsell/Cruz and not be any worse. Cain would be more difficult, but maybe you could do a Dickerson/Gomez platoon or you could call the Red Sox about Mike Cameron.

[BritInWI]

It might take Cain, Escobar, Lucroy, and Odorizzi to get a deal done for Greinke. KC can demand even more once teams leave the winter meetings with holes in their rotation. Despite the desire for Greinke, I am pretty sure most everyone would wish we did not obtain him in hindsight after seeing how much more we will/wound end up having to giving up than whay some of you think it'll cost.

If that is what it takes you can guarantee the Brewers won't do it. Creating 3 massive holes in the everyday lineup for one starter would be foolish regardless of who the pitcher is. Any subsequent Fielder deal would have to fill two of those holes with major leaguers or major league ready talent.

Agreed. And frankly Lucroy would probably be the hardest to hole to fill - remember how long we've bemoaned the lack of a quality catcher coming up through the system? I'm not the biggest Escobar fan actually, so perhaps two holes. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Warning Track Power]

3 things:

 

#1. I'm not an Escobar guy either. I would have zero problem including him in any deal but Cruz/Counsell platoon would remind me too much of a 2002ish position player.

#2. Cain is expendable for a good SP because I believe we could fill that hole via a Prince deal.

#3. Lucroy is not untouchable but pretty close. Who do we replace him with? Zaun is 40. Sorry, catcher is not a position of depth. Any deal for a pitcher require us dealing from depth meaning OF or corner IF bat (McGehee or Gamel) or one of Jeffress/Rogers.

 

I don't think we match up for Greinke at all unless a 3-way deal can be consumated.

[PrinceFielderx1]

If the Brewers really want to go for it the next couple years than they will trade for Greinke. He is by far the top SP they could acquire via trade. That would be a big statement to Brewers fans and the NL.

[dadofandrew]

Escobar and Lucroy both have the potential to be above average offensive players for their positions and probably already are plus defenders for two more years at near minimum, and are under team control for 3-4 more years. Those are very valuable, even a pre-arby guy who is a half win below average has a ton of value, it allows you to pay stars $10M+. There's no other C or SS in the system ready to contribute, unlike CF, that's why Cain keeps getting brought up.

[PilprinBuddha]

We are only competitive with pitching...sacrifice prospects if needed...we need pitching....get Grienke!

[PrinceEatMeat]

We are only competitive with pitching...sacrifice prospects if needed...we need pitching....get Grienke!

From what I've heard we tried, and we don't have enough(or what they want). So not happening. If we did it would probably be done already.

[nate82]

From what I've heard we tried, and we don't have enough(or what they want). So not happening. If we did it would probably be done already.

No. Greinke is going nowhere until Lee signs with someone I don't think Melvin wanted to get in a bidding war with the Rangers to land Greinke and that was a wise decision. I really don't see the Brewers trying again to get Greinke unless the Royals call the Brewers and to see if they can get a deal that was proposed again minus Lawrie of course.

[wishicouldhit]

i dont really trust Grienke, there is a chance that he may not recover

[Invader3K]

i dont really trust Grienke, there is a chance that he may not recover

Recover from what? His season last year? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

[paul253]

http://sportsillustrated....nke/index.html?eref=sihp

 

According to this article five teams, including the Brewers, are still interested in Greinke. It says "The Royals have received some serious offers in discussions with these ballclubs." I would actually be a little worried about what Milwaukee would have to give up to get him now that Lawrie is gone. I'm assuming at least two of Rogers, Jeffress and Odorizzi plus some. I am not excited about giving either Rogers or Odorizzi away but getting Greinke would be a coup. Our rotation would go from huge liability to major strength.

 

[PrinceFielderx1]

I'm very glad to hear the Brewers are still in on Greinke.

[DannoMac21]

VERY glad to hear we're in on Greinke. Glad to see Melvin making some noise this offseason.

[WisconsinSportsRule]

I don't even want to think of the package that it would take to get Greinke without Lawrie being the centerpiece anymore.

[PilprinBuddha]

No pitching....no chance...roll the dice!!!!!!

[PrinceFielderx1]

Cain, Odorizzi, Jeffress and Parra IMO should get it done and out bid everybody else. I guess KC is looking for up the middle help (Pitching ,SS,CF,2B,C). This is a lot to give up, but the Brewers would still have Rogers and Rivas fighting for the 5th spot in the rotation with the other 4 spots already set for at least a couple years with Greinke,Gallardo,Marcum,Wolf. The Brewers would still have Heckathorn, Peralta, Scarpetta etc.. advancing up the ladders of the system. I would be perfectly ok with this and not feel we gutted the Brewers system and feel we just put all our eggs in one basket.

[greeg35]

Here is the most I would offer:

Choice of Escobar/Cain (I would hope they took escobar)

Choice of Rodgers/Jeffress

Choice of Peralta/Rivas

Parra

I really don't want Odorizzi or both of Rodgers/Jeffress in there.

[Invader3K]

I really don't believe they're still seriously in on him. They reportedly already made two offers on him, which KC turned down. I think people are just re-hashing old rumors.

[PeaveyFury]

They reportedly already made two offers on him, which KC turned down.

 

I guess the question would be whether they turned them down because they didn't think it was enough, or because they're turning everything down while they wait to see how things sort out with Lee.

 

I think the better indicator that this is dead is the fact that Lawrie was dealt. Unless we're getting another top prospect from a Prince trade, dealing Lawrie was a good indicator that we didn't think we'd need him in a Greinke deal because the possibility was dead.

[Robideaux]

I would tend to agree with the prevailing wisdom that Melvin tried to get Greinke, realized the price was too high, and settled on Marcum instead. Now that we've traded Lawrie, I don't know if we have what it takes to get Greinke. That being said, if I'm Melvin, I'd probably double down on this season and the next and unload the top half of my prospect list to get Greinke.

 

If Melvin offers Odorizzi, Gamel, Parra, Gomez, and any other prospect in the system other than Jeffress, Rodgers, or Cain, is that enough for two years of Greinke?

 

If so, I'd pull the trigger and shoot for the playoffs this season. Then let Prince walk, throw $10-15 million of what you would have paid Prince (read: less than one year of his salary) into the draft, and shoot for the moon on the all the extra first round picks and sandwich picks you have over the next three drafts--assuming Greinke leaves as a FA after the next season.. Don't shy away from Boras clients. Take the most talented player available. So, a win-now strategy combined with aggressively cultivating another wave of talent that will (hopefully) hit the majors around 2015.

[TooLiveBrew]

If Melvin offers Odorizzi, Gamel, Parra, Gomez, and any other prospect in the system other than Jeffress, Rodgers, or Cain, is that enough for two years of Greinke?

 

I seriously doubt it. Just about any organization out there could easily top that offer. It's Odorizzi + Gamel + spare parts, really. And that's probably only because I'm a big Gamel backer. Most people would probably see it as Odorizzi + filler.