Zack Greinke [Latest: Deal for Odorizzi/Cain/Escobar/Jeffress in place? reply 464]

[paul253]

The only way I would even CONSIDER that would be if Greinke agrees to an extension of at least three more years plus the two left on his contract. Even then....I think I'd rather take my chances with the prospects we could get for Braun. Consider what SD got for one year of Gonzalez then think what Milwaukee could get for Braun. I'm not advocating it, just saying if I had to pick one, I'd rather pick multiple high ceiling prospects.

[endaround]

San Diego got a bunch of guys, not one who looks to be a lock to be a starter much less an All Star level player.

[sheetskout]

Many media outlets now are stating that Zack Greinke will now accept a trade to any club virtually nullifying his 10-team no-trade list.

 

This from Rotoworld's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/#!/Rotoworld_BB/statuses/11534858312486913

[PrinceFielderx1]

Great news for the Brewers. Now Doug Melvin can't use the no-trade clause excuse. The Brewers are pretty much guaranteed to be in on Greinke now.

[TooLiveBrew]

So you're blaming Melvin for not acquiring players because they can block trades to Milwaukee? Or just accusing him of being a blatant liar? I really have no idea where this comes from.

[PrinceFielderx1]

So you're blaming Melvin for not acquiring players because they can block trades to Milwaukee? Or just accusing him of being a blatant liar? I really have no idea where this comes from.

The no-trade comment was from Doug Melvin himself, not me. Doug Melvin has said publicly that pitchers no-trade clauses have prevented deals from happening. He mentioned that there was 24 or 25 pitchers that would block a deal to Milwaukee because they had no trade clauses. I'm not very happy with Doug Melvin and the fact that he hasn't gotten the Brewers pitching by trade regardless of no trade clauses or not. I'm saying that there is no way Doug Melvin can justify not getting pitching via trade this off-season now and this proves it.

[brewmann04]

I hope He goes somewhere else he not worth any of our Future pitching prospects.I believe he only has two years left on his deal and don't think that worth our top Prospects. The Brewers need to bulid through the draft and next year we have 2 First Rounders.

[RockCoCougars]

You guys must be a lot younger than me. I take pitching prospects with a grain of salt because I've seen so many flame out. How many above average pitchers have the Brewers developed in 20 years? I'd say two. Sheets and Gallardo (not counting Eldred, because he was ruined early on). It's been a combination of bad luck and bad drafting, but you can find three Nick Neugebauers/Mike Jones/Jeff D'Amico's for every Ben Sheets.

 

If you have a chance to get a proven guy like a Greinke, I'll take him every time over prospects.

[BrandonBurns]

You guys must be a lot younger than me. I take pitching prospects with a grain of salt because I've seen so many flame out. How many above average pitchers have the Brewers developed in 20 years? I'd say two. Sheets and Gallardo. It's been a combination of bad luck and bad drafting, but you can find three Nick Neugebauers/Mike Jones/Jeff D'Amico's for every Ben Sheets

I couldn't agree with you more. Would I trade a young Scott Kazmir for an aging Victor Zambrano? Of course not, but we're talking about a 27 year old pitcher who's just entering his supposed prime. That and the fact that the Brewers don't have that top 10 pitching prospect anyway.

[danzig6767]

The only way I would even CONSIDER that would be if Greinke agrees to an extension of at least three more years plus the two left on his contract. Even then....I think I'd rather take my chances with the prospects we could get for Braun. Consider what SD got for one year of Gonzalez then think what Milwaukee could get for Braun. I'm not advocating it, just saying if I had to pick one, I'd rather pick multiple high ceiling prospects.

I'd strongly consider trading Braun for Greinke if he'd sign a reasonable extension

[jjkoestler]

So you're blaming Melvin for not acquiring players because they can block trades to Milwaukee? Or just accusing him of being a blatant liar? I really have no idea where this comes from.

The no-trade comment was from Doug Melvin himself, not me. Doug Melvin has said publicly that pitchers no-trade clauses have prevented deals from happening. He mentioned that there was 24 or 25 pitchers that would block a deal to Milwaukee because they had no trade clauses. I'm not very happy with Doug Melvin and the fact that he hasn't gotten the Brewers pitching by trade regardless of no trade clauses or not. I'm saying that there is no way Doug Melvin can justify not getting pitching via trade this off-season now and this proves it.

 

 

I understand that you are unhappy with Melvin, but he cannot force a player to waive his no trade clause.

[greeg35]

If Greinke signed an extension, I'd trade Braun for him yesterday.

[endaround]

Braun has a no trade clause until next off-season when it becomes a limited NTC. Braun has no chance of going to KC unless they reopen his contract and that's not happening.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I understand that you are unhappy with Melvin, but he cannot force a player to waive his no trade clause.

I understand that. There are other players that he could have targeted that couldn't have possibly had a no-trade clauses. The younger pitchers or pitching prospects. There is really no excuses for him to have turned away from trades to FA like he did and overspend on older veteran pitchers. Even Doug Melvin admitted he probably should have gone a different route. I feel I'm rightfully critical of Doug Melvin, but at the same time I hope he has learned from his past mistakes and I'm willing to give him another chance.

[Oldcity]

I just want to see some creativity out of Melvin. He's never really gone outside the box. They need to pull off some sort of trade for pitching. A lot of teams will be in on Greinke, but that doesn't mean the Brewers shouldn't be as well.

[danzig6767]

Braun has a no trade clause until next off-season when it becomes a limited NTC. Braun has no chance of going to KC unless they reopen his contract and that's not happening.

Thanks for the info, didn't know that was the case

[colbyjack]

I just want to see some creativity out of Melvin. He's never really gone outside the box. They need to pull off some sort of trade for pitching. A lot of teams will be in on Greinke, but that doesn't mean the Brewers shouldn't be as well.

 

I'd argue that Marcum was outside the box. It will be interesting to hear who the pitching prospects are that the Brewers deal, as it may indicate a willingness to part with young talent to compete in 2011. If there are enough pieces left, I still think the Brewers could make a strong push for Greinke.

[sveumrules]

With Lawrie traded we may as well lock this guy up.

 

Cain, Jeffress, Odorizzi?

[jjkoestler]

Adding Greinke to a rotation of Yo, Marcum, Wolf, and Narvy/Cappy would make the Brewers honest-to-god contenders. Let's roll those dice.

 

Edit: I'd hate to gut the farm system, but I'm pretty excited about the Marcum move.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

I agree.... go for Broke. Maybe this sends a message to Prince. If we go far in 2011, we can always pull a Marlins style firesale and reload

[tigerbrew]

Adding Greinke to a rotation of Yo, Marcum, Wolf, and Narvy/Cappy would make the Brewers honest-to-god contenders. Let's roll those dice.

Absolutely agree, please Doug Melvin go get Greinke!

 

[Flood Pants]

If the Brewers were to make this move AND hang on to Fielder, then they take advantage of a narrow window of opportunity to win. Then they can reload the minors with draft picks by letting any of those three players walk at the end of their contracts. I think if this really is on the table, it could make for an exciting season.

[endaround]

The big issue is that the Royals really have no use for Gamel/McGehee. The one area they have talent is at 3B (and 1B). Which is why moving Lawrie makes getting Greinke much less likely. The Brewers pitching prospects aren't really big enough to land Greinke unless KC falls in love with them.

[Invader3K]

I don't see how it's a match now. We'd probably have to give up Rogers/Jeffress/Odorizzi to have any shot at making a trade. I think that might be too much to give up.

[dpapo]

Haudricourt's latest blog touched on a few subjects, one of them the Greinke and the Brewer attempts to obtain him.

Looks like the Brewers made a couple attempts, but the asking price was too high so they made the trade with Toronto for Marcum.

 

"And, speaking of Greinke, that same very good source told me the Brewers made two attempts already to trade for the KC ace but the price was way too high -- far beyond Brett Lawrie. That's when they refocused on Toronto's Shaun Marcum and sent Lawrie there."

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html