Mid-season trades if we're sellers

[Menace II Sobriety]

Yesterday was not my day on the Brewerfans. Somebody keep me away from a keyboard. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

 

Chamberlain & Buchholz I just didn't know about (just saw them as recognizable examples -- plus the Brewers haven't let signability get in the way too much in recent years)... but the Cam thing... sheesh.

You are right, they are two great examples. I was going to edit my post to state that under the new drafting philosophy a player falling to higher demands is not as big of an issue as it was a few years ago, unless they thought they had no chance whatsoever of signing the player.

[monty57]

I don't see the need to rush him. Although he's in AA now, he isn't exactly putting up all star caliber numbers. He needs at the very least a full season in AA, and might possibly need to repeat it. Otherwise I think he'd definitely need a year in Nashville. Personally I'd rather extend Weeks, trade Fielder and Hart and move Lawrie to either right field or first base (with Mat Gamel taking the other spot).

 

If Gamel is put at first, then I could see an OF of Braun, Gomez, Cain next year, with guys like Gindl and Schafer getting closer and closer to ready. If Gamel is put in RF to take advantage of his strong arm, we would probably sign a one-year rental veteran who should be able to put up decent numbers at 1B while Lawrie continues in the minors. We should have plenty of money next year to sign a bat for RF/1B if necessary. No need to bring Lawrie up until he's ready.

 

Our rental also walked without compensation but then again many of us argued that probably be the case from the get go. Man I hated/still despise that Lopez trade, we were going nowhere.

 

Gillespie was one of the guys I always followed through the minors. I attended the Cubs/Arizona game on Friday, and was able to cheer him on. I'd rather have him than Hart right now, and he could help us for five more years. Apparently, going 80-82 last year instead of 78-84 was worth Gillespie and everything we could have netted in trade.

[nate82]

Here is one thing I will not be surprised about if the Brewers do make this move. I could see the Brewers moving Braun to 1B if Prince departs. With the issues Braun has had with his back and around that area it would be smart for the Brewers to move Braun from LF to 1B. This will also open up the possibilities to move Lawrie and Gamel around in the OF. You could have Lawrie and Gamel in the corners with Gomez/Schafer/Cain in CF.

[logan82]

I wouldn't put Braun at 1B because he is bad at fielding ground balls. Gamel's problems in the field are mostly throwing related. Moving him to 1B would eliminate most of the need for him throwing. If Gamel can stick at 3B I would move McGehee over to 1B.

[Baldkin]

Our rental also walked without compensation but then again many of us argued that probably be the case from the get go. Man I hated/still despise that Lopez trade, we were going nowhere.

When they traded for Lopez they were 47-45 and 3 games out of first place. With Dave Bush coming back off the DL and Parra supposedly coming back up to MLB having figured things out in AAA. I still had hopes for the season then.

[trwi7]

When they traded for Lopez they were 47-45 and 3 games out of first place. With Dave Bush coming back off the DL and Parra supposedly coming back up to MLB having figured things out in AAA. I still had hopes for the season then.

Bush didn't come back from the DL until August 27th. Four starts in AAA isn't going to make a pitcher "figure it out" and the rotation was still awful. There was no need for that deal. We were behind the more talented Cardinals and Cubs in the division and we were behind the Giants, Rockies and Cubs in the wildcard. Trading for Lopez did nothing, especially since McGehee could play second which would've opened up third for Gamel.

 

 

[paul253]

If Gamel can stick at 3B I would move McGehee over to 1B.

If Gamel and McGehee are going to fill first base and third base, I'd just assume keep McGehee at third and move Gamel to first. I think McGehee's defense at third base is better than Gamel's. I also think Gamel would have a little bit of an advantage at first base being left handed. I agree with not moving Braun to first though. I think he should stay in left field. He's an average defender, only going to get better, and an amazing hitter. Just leave him be. In the coming years, there are going to be enough players switching positions. I'd like to try to keep at least some consistency.

[endaround]

McGehee has been terrible at 3B. Part of th reason the Brewers pitching looks so bad is that the team is bad defensively at 3B and LF.

[TooLiveBrew]

I also think Gamel would have a little bit of an advantage at first base being left handed.

 

Mat is a RH thrower, as all non-1B infielders are nowadays

[Invader3K]

I think McGehee would make a pretty solid 1B, at least for a year or two as a sort of stopgap solution.

[TooLiveBrew]

That would be my ideal solution to life after Prince. Gamel at 3B & McGehee at 1B.

[Invader3K]

That would be my ideal solution to life after Prince. Gamel at 3B & McGehee at 1B.

Yes, I would agree with that. Of course Gamel has to get healthy again.

[logan82]

On May 24th or there about Gamel will have 172 days of service time, one year.

[rcon14]

Here's how I see it...

 

We'll trade Prince this off-season, we have next to ZERO chance of re-signing him. He unlike Braun is looking for a garganchuan (if that's how you spell it) amount of coin. No player not named Albert Pujols or Joe Mauer is worth the money he'll be looking for and get from the Yanks to DH. I say we try to pull off a trade with one of the big market teams (NYY, BOS, LAA).

 

NYY:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Jesus Montero

Zach McAllister

Dave Robertson

 

BOS:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Ryan Westmorland

Lars Anderson

Casey Kelly

 

LAA:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Garrett Richards

Trevor Reckling

Trevor Bell

 

I like the Yankees deal the best personally, I don't know about you guys.

 

If Fielder is traded to NY, we'll move Montero to 1B and I'd move Lawrie to RF, because I'm not sold on Gamel being a good RF from a hitting standpoint since he's extremely succeptible to the inside fastball. If he's traded to BOS, Anderson will play 1B and Westmorland will be in RF which allows us to decide between Anderson and Lawrie at 1B, or if we want Lawrie at 3B. If he's traded to LAA it's a little unclear. They didn't have a lot to offer in terms of 1B prospects so Lawrie would play 1B in that situation. Definately the best pitching prospects come in the Angels deal.

 

Aside from Fielder some other deals could be pulled in the next year... SP Dave Bush, SP Doug Davis, CP Trevor Hoffman, C Greg Zaun, 3B Casey McGehee/Mat Gamel, OF Jim Edmonds, OF Corey Hart.

 

Our best load of players would come from Bush, McGehee/Gamel, and Hart. Hoffman isn't worth a lot in terms of prospects even if he does figure to get back to his old ways because he has 2 yrs left max. What do you guys think we could get from Bush? Who in particular and from what teams? Same with McGehee/Gamel or Corey?

[TooLiveBrew]

Wow, if we could get Montero for Prince, I would be ecstatic. I don't see the Yankees parting with him, honestly. The organization is absolutely enamored with him, and rightly so. I think the return from BOS there is way too high, but I'm not familiar enough with LAA's system to comment on that deal.

[nate82]

Here's how I see it...

 

We'll trade Prince this off-season, we have next to ZERO chance of re-signing him. He unlike Braun is looking for a garganchuan (if that's how you spell it) amount of coin. No player not named Albert Pujols or Joe Mauer is worth the money he'll be looking for and get from the Yanks to DH. I say we try to pull off a trade with one of the big market teams (NYY, BOS, LAA).

 

NYY:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Jesus Montero

Zach McAllister

Dave Robertson

 

BOS:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Ryan Westmorland

Lars Anderson

Casey Kelly

 

LAA:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Garrett Richards

Trevor Reckling

Trevor Bell

 

I like the Yankees deal the best personally, I don't know about you guys.

 

Our best load of players would come from Bush, McGehee/Gamel, and Hart. Hoffman isn't worth a lot in terms of prospects even if he does figure to get back to his old ways because he has 2 yrs left max. What do you guys think we could get from Bush? Who in particular and from what teams? Same with McGehee/Gamel or Corey?

As I have said in the past the Yankees will not trade for Fielder there is no spot for Fielder to play for the Yankees. 1B/DH will be occupied by someone already so there is no spot for Fielder to play at if Fielder was at 3B then yes he would have a spot to play at. Jeter or Rodriguez figure to be the future DH for the Yankees and with Teixeira at first bast that leaves Fielder without a spot to play for the Yankees. The same can be said about the Angels also with no spot for Fielder to play at with 1B and DH being taken up by players already on the team so you can realistically eliminate the Yankees and the Angels for a Fielder trade.

 

There are a few teams left for a Fielder trade and that would be the Mariners, Red Sox, Rangers, and Braves with both the Braves and the Rangers being long shots as possible landing spots for Fielder. I really don't see the Dodgers as an option anymore along with the Yankees, Angels, and Orioles. With the Orioles I believe they would rather just try and sign Fielder as a free agent than trade for him and give up prospects in that deal. The Orioles realistically don't have all that much of a chance between now and 2011. The Rays would be a very very very long shot to trade for Fielder but possible but I don't see how it would fit financially for them.

 

As for Hart being another trade chip you are looking at a player from a teams 30-50th best prospect in return for Hart at this time. Hart has nearly lost all of his value the best that you are looking at getting in a return for Hart is someone who has been repeating AAA three or four times now probably a AAAA type player. If Cain wouldn't have went down with an injury last year I really do believe the Brewers would have non tendered Hart this off season in favor of Cain over Hart. As of right now Hoffman probably has more value than Hart does in the trade market as closers can bring in some premium players.

 

The only other two players that have a lot of value are Gamel and Weeks and maybe Bush. I could see Bush being traded if a team needs a #4 or #5 pitcher the Phillies and Mets come to mind for a possible trade for Bush. The Brewers really can't trade Weeks since there is no one who could place Weeks at 2B right now Lawrie is more than likely is not going to be a 2B in the majors he will probably play either RF or LF for the Brewers.

 

A trade that I like the most is B.J. Upton and Jeremy Helickson for Prince Fielder and Todd Coffey. I'm not sure the Rays would go for that with both Helickson and Upton in the deal the Brewers would have to throw in another player to get that deal done but I am not sure on that. The Rays really do need a pitcher who can close out games and Coffey would be that pitcher who would be a low cost controlled bullpen arm that they have been looking for. Other than that hurdle the Brewers may have to throw in some money in order to get the deal done because I believe the Rays will not be looking to add onto their payroll after this year and Prince would be a hefty price for them to pay after this year. You are looking at a raise for Fielder in arbitration at about $15-18m. This would make Prince the highest paid player on the Rays team and assuming the Rays do cut their payroll down like has been rumored that would be about 25% of their roster being paid out to Prince.

 

I was thinking about the White Sox as a possibility also but their farm system was is dry right now after trading for Peavy and their payroll maybe at its limit right now.

[rcon14]

Here's how I see it...

 

We'll trade Prince this off-season, we have next to ZERO chance of re-signing him. He unlike Braun is looking for a garganchuan (if that's how you spell it) amount of coin. No player not named Albert Pujols or Joe Mauer is worth the money he'll be looking for and get from the Yanks to DH. I say we try to pull off a trade with one of the big market teams (NYY, BOS, LAA).

 

NYY:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Jesus Montero

Zach McAllister

Dave Robertson

 

BOS:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Ryan Westmorland

Lars Anderson

Casey Kelly

 

LAA:

Prince Fielder

 

MIL:

Garrett Richards

Trevor Reckling

Trevor Bell

 

I like the Yankees deal the best personally, I don't know about you guys.

 

Our best load of players would come from Bush, McGehee/Gamel, and Hart. Hoffman isn't worth a lot in terms of prospects even if he does figure to get back to his old ways because he has 2 yrs left max. What do you guys think we could get from Bush? Who in particular and from what teams? Same with McGehee/Gamel or Corey?

As I have said in the past the Yankees will not trade for Fielder there is no spot for Fielder to play for the Yankees. 1B/DH will be occupied by someone already so there is no spot for Fielder to play at if Fielder was at 3B then yes he would have a spot to play at. Jeter or Rodriguez figure to be the future DH for the Yankees and with Teixeira at first bast that leaves Fielder without a spot to play for the Yankees. The same can be said about the Angels also with no spot for Fielder to play at with 1B and DH being taken up by players already on the team so you can realistically eliminate the Yankees and the Angels for a Fielder trade.

 

There are a few teams left for a Fielder trade and that would be the Mariners, Red Sox, Rangers, and Braves with both the Braves and the Rangers being long shots as possible landing spots for Fielder. I really don't see the Dodgers as an option anymore along with the Yankees, Angels, and Orioles. With the Orioles I believe they would rather just try and sign Fielder as a free agent than trade for him and give up prospects in that deal. The Orioles realistically don't have all that much of a chance between now and 2011. The Rays would be a very very very long shot to trade for Fielder but possible but I don't see how it would fit financially for them.

 

As for Hart being another trade chip you are looking at a player from a teams 30-50th best prospect in return for Hart at this time. Hart has nearly lost all of his value the best that you are looking at getting in a return for Hart is someone who has been repeating AAA three or four times now probably a AAAA type player. If Cain wouldn't have went down with an injury last year I really do believe the Brewers would have non tendered Hart this off season in favor of Cain over Hart. As of right now Hoffman probably has more value than Hart does in the trade market as closers can bring in some premium players.

 

The only other two players that have a lot of value are Gamel and Weeks and maybe Bush. I could see Bush being traded if a team needs a #4 or #5 pitcher the Phillies and Mets come to mind for a possible trade for Bush. The Brewers really can't trade Weeks since there is no one who could place Weeks at 2B right now Lawrie is more than likely is not going to be a 2B in the majors he will probably play either RF or LF for the Brewers.

 

A trade that I like the most is B.J. Upton and Jeremy Helickson for Prince Fielder and Todd Coffey. I'm not sure the Rays would go for that with both Helickson and Upton in the deal the Brewers would have to throw in another player to get that deal done but I am not sure on that. The Rays really do need a pitcher who can close out games and Coffey would be that pitcher who would be a low cost controlled bullpen arm that they have been looking for. Other than that hurdle the Brewers may have to throw in some money in order to get the deal done because I believe the Rays will not be looking to add onto their payroll after this year and Prince would be a hefty price for them to pay after this year. You are looking at a raise for Fielder in arbitration at about $15-18m. This would make Prince the highest paid player on the Rays team and assuming the Rays do cut their payroll down like has been rumored that would be about 25% of their roster being paid out to Prince.

 

I was thinking about the White Sox as a possibility also but their farm system was is dry right now after trading for Peavy and their payroll maybe at its limit right now.

I don't want BJ Upton, he seems to have completely lost his ability to hit. While I like Hellickson quite a bit, those two combined don't replace the production of Fielder let alone one of the game's best relievers.

[Invader3K]

The one thing with the Angels is that Hideki Matsui seems to have cooled off a bit. If the Angels come back (four games under .500 at the moment) and are still in it later this summer, they could be looking to bolster their offense. It seems like they could really only use Prince as a DH though, since Kendry Morales isn't doing bad as their 1B right now.

[pingman]

scratch the Braves from your list...

 

1) they're against the wall with their budget (hence "giving" away Javy Vazquez & Rafael Soriano)

2) too much bad blood with Boras

3) they really like Freddie Freeman (20 year old who's already in AAA) as their 1B, maybe as soon as opening day 2011