Let's talk Hoffman

[cwolf2012]

I think he has just lost it at this point. I don't care if he made the outs his last 2 appearances, his stuff just isn't there. Without the horizontal movement, it's just not enough to make people miss consistently.

[HiAndTight]

I think he has just lost it at this point. I don't care if he made the outs his last 2 appearances, his stuff just isn't there. Without the horizontal movement, it's just not enough to make people miss consistently.

Not that I'm taking one inning for more than it's worth, but in the outing vs the Twins, he did look very good. His change was back and he looked significantly better.

[Beast Light]

Hoffman sure didn't look too sharp tonight. He is lucky to have only given up 3 runs with a third out coming on the basepaths. Is Hoffman "out of it" yet?

[trwi7]

Hoffman sure didn't look too sharp tonight. He is lucky to have only given up 3 runs with a third out coming on the basepaths.

He also got another out on a sac bunt. Hard hit balls, more balls than strikes. He's just done.

[Beast Light]

Hoffman sure didn't look too sharp tonight. He is lucky to have only given up 3 runs with a third out coming on the basepaths.

He also got another out on a sac bunt. Hard hit balls, more balls than strikes. He's just done.

Sadly, I have to agree with you. I really wish that he could turn things around though. If he could get it back together, imagine what he could yield at the trading deadline.

 

 

[Diggr14]

At some point you have to think Trevor starts thinking about his legacy. He owes Milwaukee nothing at this point, he gave us a quality year. Im assuming he doesn't need the $, but if I were him.. it's time to go. He's tried, he's 42... there's no shame in being done. Retire Trevor, we thank you for the good year you gave us.

[Funketown]

Sadly, I have to agree with you. I really wish that he could turn things around though. If he could get it back together, imagine what he could yield at the trading deadline.

At this point, even if Hoffman threw 20 innings between now and the deadline without giving up a single run, I don't think anybody would want him unless the Brewers picked up a significant portion of his salary. I'd jump for joy if someone took the salary without even giving anything of value.

[trwi7]

A couple more things.

 

20 scoreless innings by Hoffman would lower his ERA to a still below replacement level 5.35.

 

He's currently striking out 5.29 per 9 innings. That would be the lowest of his career. His next lowest is 6.91.

 

He's also walking 5.29 per 9 innings. That is the worst in his career. The highest BB/9 in his career is 3.90 which came in his rookie season.

 

He's given up 7 homers. His career high is 10 and he's given up less than 7 homers in 11 seasons.

[sheethead]

If he could get it back together, imagine what he could yield at the trading deadline.

 

I was imagining that last year.

[Beast Light]

If he could get it back together, imagine what he could yield at the trading deadline.

 

I was imagining that last year.

He should have been traded last year as the team was clearly not going to be making the playoffs. I imagine that had we found a team desperate for relief pitching, the Brewers could have got quite a ransom in return.

 

 

[crewcrazy]

If he could get it back together, imagine what he could yield at the trading deadline.

 

I was imagining that last year.

He should have been traded last year as the team was clearly not going to be making the playoffs. I imagine that had we found a team desperate for relief pitching, the Brewers could have got quite a ransom in return.

The Brewers put him on waivers last August and the Giants claimed him, but no deal was made in the 72-hour window. I don't know if we ever found out if there was a real attempt made at making a trade or not, though.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

The last few games showed no improvement in his horizontal movement. It sure didn't look much different tonight. Very discouraging.

[BrewCrewForever]

To me, Hoffman's career died on May 18th, the Reds game. Yet he continues to pitch. He has nothing, it's over. And I noticed during the last home stand that they STILL had that Hoffman saves counter up. Please, take that thing down already.

[bacon06]

What is the old saying about pitchers? The hitters will tell you when you are done. Sounds like the hitters have been talking loud and clear thus far.

[Schlitz001]

Hoffman is going to be pitching for the Brewers until the end of the season. First in lower leverage situations and then when the Brewers are completely out of the pennant race he will be worked back into the closer role, maybe just in 3 run leads, so that he can pick up 600. It might not be what's best for the team's record, but come August and September "The chase for 600 saves" will draw a lot more fans than "The chase for 70 wins".

[cwolf2012]

"Not that I'm taking one inning for more than it's worth, but in the outing vs the Twins, he did look very good. His change was back and he looked significantly better."

 

This is super late, but he really had no movement on the pitches. Simply because he made outs (it's very easy to make an out, even on a meatball) doesn't really show anything. I trust pitch f/x a lot more than I trust my eyes.

[Invader3K]

Pretty disappointing outing last night after he had three pretty good ones. Definitely didn't look like he had much on his pitches to me. You have to wonder how much longer the team can trot him out there. Then again, how long have we been saying that about Suppan?

[jeffy]

...come August and September "The chase for 600 saves" will draw a lot more fans than "The chase for 70 wins".

So if he needs, say, 10 opportunities to get his 4 saves, when does he need to go back to being the closer, or maybe just the three-run lead closer specialist, in order to be fairly certain he will be able to limp to this glorious achievement?

[Invader3K]

That's the thing. Is it really that impressive if it takes him ten opportunities to get four more saves at this point?

[TabbertBB]

Who cares about 600!!! What is the big deal about the number 600? Please, please, please someone tell me what is so important about "600". I am so sick of hearing about 600.

If this was some hitter that needed 4 more hits for 3000 I could understand, but 600 is a meaningless number for him.

[Invader3K]

I guess staying ahead of Mariano Rivera? But Rivera is sitting at 537 saves, and is already 40. Not sure how realistic it will be for him to overtake Hoffman at this point.

 

I also agree with the point earlier that they should take down that banner at Miller Park. They should have done it after he was "demoted" from the closer role and put it back up after he got his next save or two, eventually. At this point, it's just kind of a joke sitting out there.

[JohnBriggs12]

He wasn't that bad last night. Two opposite field lazy flies landed a total of 2 feet inside the lines for doubles. One should have been caught but once again for whatever reason, Hart got a poor jump and wasn't flat out initially.

[sheethead]

If Hoffman wasn't that bad last night, then he has only been bad once or twice this year.

 

1 IP; 3 H; 3 ER; 2 BB; 1 SO

 

That will always look bad to me, no matter how hard the ground rule double was hit.

[NievesNoNO]

Schlitz001[/b]]Hoffman is going to be pitching for the Brewers until the end of the season. First in lower leverage situations and then when the Brewers are completely out of the pennant race he will be worked back into the closer role, maybe just in 3 run leads, so that he can pick up 600. It might not be what's best for the team's record, but come August and September "The chase for 600 saves" will draw a lot more fans than "The chase for 70 wins".

I don't think there will be any fan draw for the "chase for 600 saves". If he had pitched for Milwaukee his whole career then maybe, but there really isn't a fan-player connection there. If anything he'll be booed off the mound each time he's put in for an attempt. Quite honestly it's insutling to the fans that pay to go to the game for Hoffman and Suppan to take the mound. Any other players would've been sent to the minors or cut. Hoffman and Suppan would miss the cut on some high school teams. I'm not taking anything away from their professionalism or past accomplishments, but they are both clearly done. Please, Brewers move on.

 

[TheCrew07]

How was the ground rule double a lazy fly ball? It was a slicing line drive to the corner, Braun never had a chance. It was hit hard.