Carl Crawford

[mothershipconnection]

They could get a solid vet in Davis

They'd only have him for 1 year, though. Since they're not going to compete, I doubt they accept anyone as a major piece who isn't there for 3+ years. That's why they'd want pre-arbitration guys who can help shape the future.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Absolutely positively NO WAY to Gallardo and Capuano. As tough as pitching is to acquire, TB should run w/ the Capunao offer, I would doubt any other team would dangle a cheap, young leftie for Crawford. Just my humble opinion.

[lithium75]

I wouldn't do Yo for Crawford straight up. I don't think I would do Capuano for Crawford straight up. I would hwever do the Davis, Rodgers, and an assortment of Jackson, Hendrickson, or Eveland, but I don't think the DRays would do this unless it were a last resort.

 

Take a long look at the Tiger's stats and roster this year. They won with pitching, starters and bull pen arms. Their offense isn't much better than ours was.

 

For us to win, pitchers who could be aces (think Capuano = a younger Kenny Rodgers, and Gallardo = a Bonderman in the making) are more important than a few more runs next year.

[colbyjack]

I don't blame TB for saying it, but in this market, there is absolutely no way someone will give them an ace plus two for Crawford. Depending on your definition of "ace" I doubt anyone would even do that straight up for Crawford right now, the demand for arms is just too great at the moment.

 

I agree completely with this statement. If the D-Rays honestly believe they are going to get an ace and two premium prospects, Crawford isn't going anywhere. Their initial trade demands for other players that have eventually moved have been pretty high, as I remember them asking for quite a bit for Julio Lugo and Aubrey Huff.

 

I would be very, very surprised if they turned down Cappy straight up for Crawford. Ervin Santana's name has also been tossed out there, but the Angels seem hesitant to deal him (rightfully so).

[brettac1]

Rodgers

 

Well, Rogers has the highest ceiling out of all of them, he's a Verlander in the making. I don't think the making will ever be completed, but the potential is there.

[splitterpfj]

I agree with Patrick on this issue. Cappy for Crawford gets both teams what they want in the deal, but the Brewers have already stated they'd like more pitching depth for next year, so I consider it highly unlikely.

 

If the Brewers can find another arm to plug into Cappy's spot, and if the TB management comes down from whatever high they seem to be on, there could be a deal here.

 

If we won't let go of Cappy (which would be understandable) we're looking at something like Jackson and Yo or Jackson, and two other prospects of their liking. With Davis a FA in one more year, he's not likely to interest the Rays, we're not going to give them Sheets, even if he'd ok it, so it's Jackson, Villanueva, Inman, etc.

 

I'll hope for it, but I don't expect it.

[monkeyman343434]

If the brewers were to deal cappy for crawford, that'd give the brewers 2 for sure starting OFers (Hart and Crawford) to make up for the loss of cappy , there would be a few OF available to deal, Mench, Gross, Clark, Jenkins, Nix, Gwynn, there would really only be room for 2 of those guys on the roster at that point, so a few of them could be flipped for some pitching depth - granted, not the quality of cappy however

[geothite]

Not to be accused of being welling to trade anyone to get Crawford, I think how OPS is being used to argue against getting him is interesting.

 

OPS is nice stat. Even in some cases actually tells you something about a players worth.

However I propose that Crawford's value may not be entirely measured by his OPS.

First he is an incredible athlete. Who can makes plays that 98-99% of OF in baseball cannot even think of making. What is the value of a CF or LF he catches balls that most OF cannot and cuts off balls that usually make their way to walls and holds hitters to singles.

Also, speed makes things happen (I wonder what Jackie Robinson's OPS was?) it leads to cheap runs and big innings as it distorts defenses and cause IF to make errors on routine plays.

 

I love stats but how did the teams with the OPS kings in the AL and NL do this year?

[pogokat]

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(I wonder what Jackie Robinson's OPS was?)

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.883 for his career with a high of .956

 

crawford's career is .756, with a high of .830

 

I know you weren't really comparing them, but Jackie Robinson's OPS proves that it takes a lot more than just speed

 

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I love stats but how did the teams with the OPS kings in the AL and NL do this year?

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The Yankees had the highest OPS in baseball, and they made the playoffs...the phillies led the NL and they almost did...

[endaround]

You know what else pogog? Both teams lead their leagues in runs scored! Amazing how the teams with the highest OPS have the best offenses!

[rluzinski]

You know what else pogog? Both teams lead their leagues in runs scored! Amazing how the teams with the highest OPS have the best offenses!

 

Which goes to show you, it's all about speed and small ball.

 

O yeh. I'll give you one guess for how many runs the teams with the worst OPS in the NL and AL scored.

[monkeyman343434]

So because Crawford posted a .830 OPS in 2006, he's going to continue to put up a .830 OPS the rest of his career? .781, .800, .830 the guy is only 25 years and getting better -- developing more power to go along with his amazing speed and base stealing ability --- if people are willing to compare weeks to henderson in the leadoff capability... i'd be more willing to compare crawford to henderson

[endaround]

Thats not what people are saying. They are saying that he hasn't hit enough yet to be a premiere corner OFer and so shouldn't be used as one.

[Oldcity]

I know it's been said earlier in this thread, he'd be much more attractive if he played center. Apparently he doesn't want to.

[geothite]

I guess the question that needs to be asked is how confident in the folks who player evaluations for the Brewers?

 

Crawford is still a guy who is developing. He has the tools on the surface to be a star.

This is about the ability of a GM or front office to evaluate talent.

Just like in the case of the pitching prospects we have at A and AA. Often projecting has nothing to do with success in A ball.

 

I don't know the answer but it seems to me that this highlights the fact that the Brewers need a first rate front office to succeed.

Because rarely are they going to be in on guys who have already put up 1.000 OPS, they have to find guys who have put up 0.800 OPS who they can project as stars.

 

There are no sure things for the Brewers. Prospects and players with ability who they can project, and not guys the GM drafted in a previous stop, have to be the targets of this franchise.

I know I am stating the obvious, but either you sign a FA here or there that is a sure thing or you have to be exceptional at player evaluation.

[aracko]

Carl Crawford brings excitement(although I still like Baldelli better). He would be worth every penny he is paid. He is definatly a CF unless Bill Hall is there. Then we could afford the lack of Power in LF. Add Hart to RF and that is one seriously fast team.

 

I tell you that it would be awesome to have a guy at the top of the order who can get on base via the bunt.

[UWRyan428]

Like Scotty Po???

[trwi7]

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Carl Crawford brings excitement(although I still like Baldelli better). He would be worth every penny he is paid. He is definatly a CF unless Bill Hall is there. Then we could afford the lack of Power in LF. Add Hart to RF and that is one seriously fast team.

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My God I just drooled all over myself thinking of a Crawford, Hall, Hart outfield.

 

So does anything think it's possible for a Jenkins/Garcia trade straight up or would we have to add someone?

[gebc1997]

Three-way deal possibility:

 

Brewers get

 

Carl Crawford

 

Giants get

 

Geoff Jenkins

 

D-Rays get

 

Zach Jackson

Will Inman

Vinnie Chulk

Brad Hennessey

[BillHall02]

Can someone fill me in as to why The D-Rays would trade Crawford? I know they have Baldelli and young, but who is forcing them to get rid of one? and why get rid of a cheap young outfielder when they have use of the DH? thansk for the response to my FIRST POST. I have been reading here for years, and I finally decided to say something

[laserbomb]

Can someone fill me in as to why The D-Rays would trade Crawford? I know they have Baldelli and young, but who is forcing them to get rid of one? and why get rid of a cheap young outfielder when they have use of the DH?

 

I wonder, too, I know he'll be making a lot more very soon, is it because his value's even higher before he makes it there? And why keep Baldelli, the one who's missed 250 games in three years, over Crawford? Maybe it all comes back to the contracts and present values.

[brettac1]

They have Elijah Dukes, too. I think they might figure that they have a piece that is kind of redundant in Crawford, who can fetch legit good pitchers or other position players in return. They can go with an OF of Young, Baldelli, and Dukes (eventually) and the DH spot can be filled very easily, and probably cheaper.

 

And Carl Crawford isn't Rickey Henderson because he doesn't walk. Henderson was like a .900 OPS guy a few times.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that Dukes is considered a major, major character risk with problems, but he's an amazing player waiting to happen. Kind of like Milton Bradley without the switch-hitting.

[Oldcity]

So where is Delmon Young in the D-Rays' future?

[brettac1]

He is the D-Rays future.

[Oldcity]

See that's what I thought, except I didn't see him in the discussion of their outfield. I thought he'd be in the bigs in 2007... is that not the case?