Toronto as a trading partner for pitching? Update: Jays love Lawrie (naturally...)

[packfan79]

With the way Lawrie has adjusted to AA pitching at a young age and his willingness to switch positions I don't want to see him moved.

[Baldkin]

Brewers need to win 85 games this year or Macha, Ash, and Melvin should be sent packing. 7-8 (85 win seasons) and a few playoff appearances each decade shouldn't be asking that much of a good GM. Given DM's massive failure in putting together a decent pitching staff... year after year... its time to do something different

What does this have to do with the Blue Jays interest in Lawrie?

 

Anyway... I'd hate to see a 20 year old who's mashing at AA moved for anything less than 6 years of a #2/3 starter. Marcum isn't close to enough.

[TheCrew07]

I really like Marcum, but he's a guy we needed to trade for in 2006, not now in 2010.

 

I would trade Lawrie for a Drabek package.

[RockCoCougars]

The time to move Lawrie to the Jays was last year at this point as part of a deal for Halliday. I'd be intrigued by both Marcum and Morrow (especially Morrow), but I would be surprised if the Jays would move them at this point being only 6.5 back. Going further, I'm not sure that I'd be inclined to trade Lawrie anyway-that is unless they would like Randy Wolf as part of the deal.

[804Sox]

The time to move Lawrie to the Jays was last year at this point as part of a deal for Halliday. I'd be intrigued by both Marcum and Morrow (especially Morrow), but I would be surprised if the Jays would move them at this point being only 6.5 back. Going further, I'm not sure that I'd be inclined to trade Lawrie anyway-that is unless they would like Randy Wolf as part of the deal.

I'd take Marcum over Morrow . . . easily. Morrow's got a big arm, but he has yet to demonstrate that he can be a good pitcher. The Seatle org. jerked him around a lot and it's not totally his fault, per se, but he's definitely running out of time to capitalize on his talent and upside.

 

Edit: And I don't think I'd trade Lawrie for either in the Brewer's position. I understand the desire to acquire top-of-the-rotation pitching, but Lawrie has a good chance to be a special hitter, and I wouldn't call Marcum or Morrow particularly special pitchers.

[logan82]

7.5 games back is huge when you are behind Boston, New York and Tampa Bay.

[PrinceFielderx1]

What about a package involving Drabek and Morrow? Would the Blue Jays ever do that? The Brewers would have to send over a pitcher in this deal..

 

Morrow has done very well in his last 6 starts. There might be something there.

[homer]

The time to move Lawrie to the Jays was last year at this point as part of a deal for Halliday.

Heard a rumor from a friend of mine that has ties to the team that the Brewers had a deal in place for Halladay but that Roy shot it down.

[HiAndTight]

The time to move Lawrie to the Jays was last year at this point as part of a deal for Halliday.

Heard a rumor from a friend of mine that has ties to the team that the Brewers had a deal in place for Halladay but that Roy shot it down.

I've got a lot of friends who work for the Brewers in some capacity or another, and there are a number of rumors that start from within that office, completely aside from the GM's or any actual decision makers. I always have a friend calling me with some huge move that's on the verge of happening. I've come to realize that the people in the season tickets department talking to those interns in other departments have some wild imaginations.

 

I'm certainly not saying this wasn't possible, but I've heard the better part of the NL All-Star team potentially coming to Milwaukee.

[rcon14]

If Lawrie is traded, I'll be livid.

 

The only trade I can see with Toronto would be...

 

Jays get:

Prince

 

Brewers get:

Brett Wallace

Zack Stewart

 

Brett Lawrie is nearly impossible to get unless they want to give up Drabek or Chad Jenkins.

[Invader3K]

Going back to my comments earlier, I don't really want to see Lawrie traded, as I think he has a definite future as a solid infielder for the Crew. But if you can get a high upside young pitcher with #1/2 type potential, I think you have to at least look at it.

 

And as far as Halladay, I really don't believe him coming to the Brewers was ever a realistic possibility. There were just too many red flags with his NTC, ability to leave before this season, and the fact that the Blue Jays wanted too much from teams during the season. It just wasn't going to happen.

[HiAndTight]

Going back to my comments earlier, I don't really want to see Lawrie traded, as I think he has a definite future as a solid infielder for the Crew. But if you can get a high upside young pitcher with #1/2 type potential, I think you have to at least look at it.

 

And as far as Halladay, I really don't believe him coming to the Brewers was ever a realistic possibility. There were just too many red flags with his NTC, ability to leave before this season, and the fact that the Blue Jays wanted too much from teams during the season. It just wasn't going to happen.

I posted elsehwere in which people thought Lawrie for Marcum was a "great deal" and a steal. I was stunned.

 

If the Jays love Lawrie and who wouldn't, I would want two of Jenkins/Drabeck/Stewart and maybe even McGowan in addition.

 

 

I think Lawrie's that type of impact.

[Oldcity]

Why wouldn't Brett Cecil be a solid target? I'd certainly rather have him over Marcum. Cecil is 23, a former high pick, very good minor league numbers, and in a small sample this season has 60 ks to 20 BBs.

[BrewCrewForever]

No way would I trade Brett Lawrie. He is only 20 years old and is doing very well in AA. He has an impact type bat, not sure if he will stay at 2B or not, but his bat will play just about anywhere. He could be up as soon as sometime in 2011, and probably starting in 2012. I would very disappointed if they traded Brett.

[twobrewers]

With the way Lawrie has adjusted to AA pitching at a young age and his willingness to switch positions I don't want to see him moved.

Lawrie wasn't willing to switch positions. The Brewers wanted him to be a catcher. He didn't want to because it would take too long to get to MLB.

 

Besides defense, the biggest knock on Lawrie has been his attitude. I'm not sure if will be a problem, because the same thing could be said for Braun, but to cite his willingness to switch position is just incorrect.

[endaround]

No, Lawrie wanted to be a catcher and the Brewers humored him to get him to sign quickly. No one not related to him thought he was a catcher going forward.

[trwi7]

No, Lawrie wanted to be a catcher and the Brewers humored him to get him to sign quickly. No one not related to him thought he was a catcher going forward.

If Lawrie wanted to be a catcher so badly, why did he request to be moved to 2nd base?

 

 

 

[endaround]

From everything that was heard the Brewers strongly encouraged the move. No one in the draft projected him as catcher long term.

[NievesNoNO]

Stevo[/b]]Why wouldn't Brett Cecil be a solid target? I'd certainly rather have him over Marcum. Cecil is 23, a former high pick, very good minor league numbers, and in a small sample this season has 60 ks to 20 BBs.

Cecil would be an excellent target. Young, controllable, and good with some track record in MLB, albeit not a large sample. I would ask for Morrow as I believe he has turned the corner in his development and has the bigger arm. I'd do either straight up. I have somewhat of a hard time believing the Jays would give up either for Lawrie though, but you never know and if they actually have expressed interest in acquiring him I think you'd be follish not to explore the possibility. There's a difference though in saying you like a player being interested in acquiring a player.

 

 

[JohnBriggs12]

Stevo[/b]]Why wouldn't Brett Cecil be a solid target? I'd certainly rather have him over Marcum. Cecil is 23, a former high pick, very good minor league numbers, and in a small sample this season has 60 ks to 20 BBs.

Cecil would be an excellent target. Young, controllable, and good with some track record in MLB, albeit not a large sample. I would ask for Morrow as I believe he has turned the corner in his development and has the bigger arm. I'd do either straight up. I have somewhat of a hard time believing the Jays would give up either for Lawrie though, but you never know and if they actually have expressed interest in acquiring him I think you'd be follish not to explore the possibility. There's a difference though in saying you like a player being interested in acquiring a player.

 

They would really have to like Lawrie a lot to part with a guy who's dominated the Yankees in both starts against them this year before turning 24. But Lawrie is 3 1/2 years younger and projects as an above average bat somewhere. Everyday players don't grow on trees either especially cheap ones that as the only Canadian franchise, you may be able to eventually entice into a very favorable long term deal, ala Braun. This would be an interesting deal from both sides. The Brewers would get immediate help where they need it, but in the long run, this deal could favor the Jays.

[wishicouldhit]

Olney used three tweets to suggest a three way trade (wade davis- lee- lawrie) would make sense for all the teams. Im in no hurry to move Lawrie because he is best hitting prospect since Braun, but i dont know if the brewers can get another pitcher of davis's caliber for 5 years. Couple that trade with hart for bumgarner and the brewers would be set with an above average rotation for the next 5 years (also very affordable) : gallardo, wade davis, bumgarner , wolf, and parra, also Rivas as 6sp.

[Robideaux]

Couple that trade with hart for bumgarner and the brewers would be set with an above average rotation for the next 5 years

Obviously, the Brewers would (should) make a Hart/Bumgarner trade in a heartbeat, but unless my instincts for relative value are way, way off, there is no way that the Giants trade Bumgarner for Hart--as in a 0% chance of that happening without a significant Brewers prospect (like Lawrie) going along as part of the deal. We might be able to get Bumgarner for Fielder. Bumgarner for Hart isn't even close.

 

I agree with the general sentiment that we need to upgrade the rotation. And I wouldn't be completely opposed to including Lawrie in the right deal, but how sure are we that Wade Davis is good? I don't mean to imply that he isn't, and I know he's been a highly touted prospect, but neither his minor league or major league numbers scream future star. Has anybody seen him pitch?

[804Sox]

Olney used three tweets to suggest a three way trade (wade davis- lee- lawrie) would make sense for all the teams. Im in no hurry to move Lawrie because he is best hitting prospect since Braun, but i dont know if the brewers can get another pitcher of davis's caliber for 5 years. Couple that trade with hart for bumgarner and the brewers would be set with an above average rotation for the next 5 years (also very affordable) : gallardo, wade davis, bumgarner , wolf, and parra, also Rivas as 6sp.

should be able to get a better pitcher than davis for lawrie

[Never Outhustled]

Olney used three tweets to suggest a three way trade (wade davis- lee- lawrie) would make sense for all the teams. Im in no hurry to move Lawrie because he is best hitting prospect since Braun, but i dont know if the brewers can get another pitcher of davis's caliber for 5 years. Couple that trade with hart for bumgarner and the brewers would be set with an above average rotation for the next 5 years (also very affordable) : gallardo, wade davis, bumgarner , wolf, and parra, also Rivas as 6sp.

should be able to get a better pitcher than davis for lawrie

 

Ya, it would have to be Hellickson.

 

Or, the Brewers could just trade Lawrie to Seattle for Pineda. Both Lawrie and Pineda have taken major steps forward this year, Pineda is MLB ready right now.

[TooLiveBrew]

With all the average to poor defensive players the Brewers have at this point, I'm starting to think I want to see them find a team that thinks Lawrie will stick at 2B & get as much good pitching as they can in return for him.