Toronto as a trading partner for pitching? Update: Jays love Lawrie (naturally...)

[Milltownhooker]

Would Morrow & Marcum be of help to the crew. Anybody the crew can offer to land one of them. I like McGowan but he's never gonna be healthy.

[nate82]

Would Morrow & Marcum be of help to the crew. Anybody the crew can offer to land one of them. I like McGowan but he's never gonna be healthy.

Yes they would help but neither of them are going to be available. Young cheap pitching is a premium like young cheap catchers. I don't see the Jays trading either of those players at all especially since the Jays just got Morrow from Seattle this winter. I do not see the Jays moving Morrow and I don't see them moving Marcum either.

[JohnBriggs12]

I read that blurb on MLB traderumors about the Jays having excess pitching.

 

They have a lot of pitchers, but very few that are any good. Morrow and Marcum being two of the exceptions and that's if Marcum's healthy, so I don't suspect they are going anywhere. They could use another OF, but I can't see the Brewers trading Hart for one of their excess guys.

[BREWERPRIDE]

Yes they have a lot of pitchers, but Morrow, Marcum, and McGowan all have injury problems. Id like Morrow out of all of them, but we would have to give up something that we probably need.

[Milltownhooker]

So no to Salome & Hart?

[BREWERPRIDE]

So no to Salome & Hart?

I dont think I would do that.

[Milltownhooker]

Hart not easy enough to replace or Morrow not worth Hart & Salome?

[BREWERPRIDE]

Hart not easy enough to replace or Morrow not worth Hart & Salome?

I think Hart is not easy enough to replace and I think he has to much potential to have a good season, I dont see him repeating last season. I think he is coming into this season like he has something to prove, which I like.

 

I also dont think he is worth Hart and Salome, one, because I would like to see what Salome has, and two, because of what I said above, the best thing to me, would be us relieving a LITTLE payroll.

[Milltownhooker]

I guess I'm just not seeing it in Hart. I see a stubborness not to make adjustments

[BREWERPRIDE]

We'll see.

[Milltownhooker]

Rather have the power arm

[804Sox]

Rather have the power arm

I agree with you. I think to get a pitcher like Marcum or McGowan (both of whom I like better than Morrow) would be an excellent return for Salome and Hart in terms of pure value. However, the Brewers rotation seems set for this year and is actually pretty solid 1-5, while the outfield remains a weakness and would be further weakened by the trade of hart, who could be in line for a bounce-back year or sorts.

 

Tough call from the Brewers perspective - do you weaken this years team in order to get back better "value" in a trade? - but I think the Jay's would make the call for the Brewers by turning these trades down. They have no need for Salome, who would be the centerpiece of the deal, with some good Catching prospects.

[Kelbysdaddy]

i was actually thinking about this earlier today. i do like the idea of a package to toronto. would rather send salome than lacroy, i think salome fits in better in the AL. Hart probably wouldnt be too hard to replace, edmonds would be fine for the time being and push cain atAAA or maybe have him up and platoon with edmonds. i think it wouldnt be a idea to get a package of marcum, brad mills and 1B prospect david cooper or zach stewart plus another arm. maybe right now we need better arms at AA and AAA than mlb ready.

[804Sox]

i was actually thinking about this earlier today. i do like the idea of a package to toronto. would rather send salome than lacroy, i think salome fits in better in the AL. Hart probably wouldnt be too hard to replace, edmonds would be fine for the time being and push cain atAAA or maybe have him up and platoon with edmonds. i think it wouldnt be a idea to get a package of marcum, brad mills and 1B prospect david cooper or zach stewart plus another arm. maybe right now we need better arms at AA and AAA than mlb ready.

soooo, you plan on getting Marcum, Cooper (#4 prospect per BA), and Brad Mills (#8) OR Stewart (#1) plus another arm for Hart and Salome? Hart and Salome combined could not return a single player you listed, except possibly "another arm," much less a package involving multiple players. Your preference for giving up Salome over Lucroy and belief that Hart wouldn't be hard to replace with Edmonds, who was signed to a minor league deal, should have indicated that to you.

[Milltownhooker]

I think a platoon of Jonny Gomes & Edmonds or Gerut could make-up for Hart's departure. But like the above poster said Toronto would just say no. More of a Hart & Salome are more of a KC type package anyway. If only the crew had the salary flexibility for Meche

[Kelbysdaddy]

i was actually thinking about this earlier today. i do like the idea of a package to toronto. would rather send salome than lacroy, i think salome fits in better in the AL. Hart probably wouldnt be too hard to replace, edmonds would be fine for the time being and push cain atAAA or maybe have him up and platoon with edmonds. i think it wouldnt be a idea to get a package of marcum, brad mills and 1B prospect david cooper or zach stewart plus another arm. maybe right now we need better arms at AA and AAA than mlb ready.

soooo, you plan on getting Marcum, Cooper (#4 prospect per BA), and Brad Mills (#8) OR Stewart (#1) plus another arm for Hart and Salome? Hart and Salome combined could not return a single player you listed, except possibly "another arm," much less a package involving multiple players. Your preference for giving up Salome over Lucroy and belief that Hart wouldn't be hard to replace with Edmonds, who was signed to a minor league deal, should have indicated that to you.

i was meaning a combination of those 3 not just those 3, and a package including hart, salome, plus. i put those names in there for the brewers need. obviously they need better pitching in the upper levels of the minors and really need a 1B for when prince leaves in 2 years. it was just spitballing a quick idea, more of wishful thinking than anything.

 

 

[JohnBriggs12]

I don't think a replacement for Fielder is a priority should he leave in 2 years. Gamel and Lawrie are solid internal candidates. Even though both are at other positions now, 1B may end up being their ultimate destination. Every year there are guys available on the open market that are adequate too, including some at bargain rates like Adam LaRoche and Nick Johnson this year.

[Tbadder]

I'd give em JJ Hardy.

[bando1234]

Just throwing this out there. What about Hart, Parra, & Villy for Marcum &Bautista(or Downs). Bautista Could platoon with Edmonds plus he hit left handers pretty decent. I think Downs would do good as a 7th inning guy. Marcum if healthy would improve the rotation. Im just not sold on Parra. Just an idea.

[BREWERPRIDE]

Just throwing this out there. What about Hart, Parra, & Villy for Marcum &Bautista(or Downs). Bautista Could platoon with Edmonds plus he hit left handers pretty decent. I think Downs would do good as a 7th inning guy. Marcum if healthy would improve the rotation. Im just not sold on Parra. Just an idea.

No way, Parra has to much upside.

[Milltownhooker]

Parra could only be move for a sure-fire frontline starter

[Menace II Sobriety]

Parra could only be move for a sure-fire frontline starter

Quick question is Parra a sure-fire frontline starter? If not how could he be traded for one? Now if you want him traded for a guy that has untapped potential like Parra I agree. Maybe someone like Aumont this year or Edwin Jackson last year.

[Milltownhooker]

No, but he's younger cost controlled talent. If Parra was a sure fire frontline guy why would the crew trade him for another one.

[Menace II Sobriety]

That's my point why would another team trade their sure-fire frontline starter for Parra. It wold be like trading a Sega Genesis for a PS3.

[804Sox]

Several reasons:

 

1) If the team can no longer afford their "sure-fire frontline starter," they would benefit by trading him for a package better than the draft picks that they would receive through FA.

2) They would likely not get a cheaper frontline starter in return because that would not make sense for the team taking on the more expensive starter.

3) For this reason, they would attempt to trade for players who they feel could develop into the type of frontline starter that they traded away

 

If you believe that parra is this type of player (I don't, I think he has #3 upside) then you might consider accepting him as the centerpiece of a trade for a frontline starter, BUT

 

4) Parra alone would not likely be enough, due to the uncertainty about his future that you mention, so he would necessarily be part of a package with other players