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Randy Wolf to Sign with Brewers, 3 years plus club option/$29.75 million

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Can somebody give a scouting report...pitch types, speeds, etc for this fellow?

 

From Wolf's Fangraphs player page, over his career, he's worked with:

 

FB: 88.2mph avg. velocity, thrown 61% of the time

CB: 68.3, 19.9%

CH: 77.1, 11.5%

SL: 79.9, 7.5%

 

 

It's worth noting that Wolf has trended away from using his change as much, in favor of his slider, the past two seasons. If anyone's at all interested in a basic look at what Wolf is like, the FanGraphs page is a quick & useful read.

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I like the signing. I think Wolf will do fine for us. I see him being our #2 this year.

 

As for the high ceiling one year guys I doubt Milwaukee would be anything, but a last resort for them. If I was Rich Harden, Eric Bedard, Ben Sheets I would be looking for a pitcher friendly park to raise my stock and cash in like Wolf did this year. Ie. LA, Seattle, San Diego, etc. It just makes too much sense to not do that.

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This could also theoretically work. But having a good offense and bad pitching didn't do anything for the Brewers in 2009, and Melvin wasn't going to try that again.

 

You are right, Melvin wasn't. The offense will not be as good in 2010. Melvin made it worse. Even improving the pitching could still make us a worse team than last year. I think we will win more than 80 games. I think we would have won more than 80 games most of the time if the 2009 season was replayed several thousand times. We had some guys underperform drastically, specifically Bush and Parra, and that shouldn't be expected again. Not that it might not happen, it just shouldn't be the expectation.

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Id like to see the Brewers take a flyer on a riskier, higher upside guy for their second pitcher. Preferably Duchscherer.

I like this philosophy as well. Wolf is a safe bet to put money into. He may not have the upside of some of the others but we need a guy who can be a solid reliable pitcher who is not a huge injury risk. With Wolf in fold I think we have the opportunity to take a risk if we have the money.

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My opinion on this has been well documented elsewhere. Bad deal. Too much money, too many years. Too much of our budget allocated towards an old, overhyped, Joe Blow pitcher coming off a career year. I thought our organization was smarter than to get irresponsibly lured into the promises of a career year. This makes the Cards' one year deal for Penny look amazing. 3/30 is the same deal that Hudson got ... but Hudson is a super star and Wolf is Wolf. Our interest in Wolf should have started and ended at 1 year, ~$11 million after incentives; 2 years, ~$18 million after incentives; 3 years, ~$24 million after incentives. (And only that high with INCENTIVES.) If he didn't want those deals, he wasn't right for us. There were plenty of other options, even the worst of which would not be improved greatly by going with Wolf instead -- even taking the money out of the equation. I don't think it's going to be very long until Wolf looks like an overpaid mistake and is being booed walking off the mound at Miller Park.

 

I'll reserve a little bit of hope that when I see the deals that go to Garland, Harden, Washburn, Davis, etc I'll change my tune on this deal out of necessity. As it stands now, comparing to Penny and Hudson, this is not a good deal. I'd even call it irresponsible.

 

I loved Russ' analysis at the bottom of page 3. Hope it didn't get buried and enough people were able to read it.

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Bedard's health status (last I knew) was still a major deterrent to bringing him in. I agree that I'd like to see Melvin take a flyer on him -- even if he only contributes 100-150 IP, the quality you get over those innings is well worth a 1-yr. deal, imo.

 

Best I can find is that Bedard is expected to be out through at least the first month of the '10 season, and that the most interest teams have been willing to show thus far seems mostly inquisitive.

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Yeah, but we needed someone who can reliably fill out the middle part of the rotation. Wolf can do that. No one is really offering any realistic alternatives other than "Sign three high risk/high reward guys and pray that a couple of them stick", leaving out the fact that guys like Bedard may not be any cheaper per year than Wolf.
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To me the money is immaterial. All this talk about value is only relevant if there's a cap. There is not. We know the Brewers are on a fixed budget but it appears to be like 90 million. Suppan comes off the books after this year....Fielder will be off the books after 2011 (right?) Braun has cost certainty built in and then....??? What other long term commitments do they have? To me Wolf makes the team better in the short term which is HUGE given the realistic window the Brewers will have with both Braun and Fielder. He'll regress in 2010 no doubt but he'll still probably be worth 2 - 4 wins above Suppan. Not only that but the signed him without giving up a prospect which can be used to get another arm mid season if need be.

 

Did the Brewers "overpay"? Yeah they did but I don't care. To me, this deal does not hamstring the team in year 2011 or 2012 and makes them a heckuva lot better in 2010. Good deal if you look at it in those terms.

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Gallardo and Parra start to get expensive in 2011. It may seem like we will not be hamstrung by these deals right now, but all our young players are going to get more expensive. A million here, a million there will start to add up the next couple years. Suppan dropping off in 2011 and Fielder in 2012 will probably be offset by those guys.

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Are you assuming Fielder isn't going to be here in 2011? I don't think Melvin signs Wolf to a 3 year deal if he plans on losing Fielder after one more year.

 

Suppan, Hall and Riske contracts going away should be enough to cover salary increases, as well as possible savings at C.

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Hudson is a super star and Wolf is Wolf.

 

I guess this is the rub right here. I don't think Hudson is significantly better than Wolf. Hudson is more of an injury risk than Wolf and has a career 3.79 xFIP. Wolf is safer and has a career 4.24. Wolf's xFIP trend has been positive since his injury problems. I think their overall value is pretty close to be honest. I think they both got too much though.

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Are you assuming Fielder isn't going to be here in 2011? I don't think Melvin signs Wolf to a 3 year deal if he plans on losing Fielder after one more year.

 

Suppan, Hall and Riske contracts going away should be enough to cover salary increases, as well as possible savings at C.

Yeah, just being conservative. Good point on Hall and Riske too.

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Isn't Wolf a better starting pitcher than anyone not named Sheets or Gallardo that the Brewers have had in what? 10 years? 15 years? Decades?

 

(Besides our brief rental of Sabathia)

Sadly he very well could be. At least back to like Higuera or Eldred.

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