Edwin Jackson

[Kelbysdaddy]

mlbtr had a post saying that the tigers are open to offers for edwin jackson. it also said the tigers would be looking for a rh bat. maybe if we package hart with a couple low level pitchers/ 1 pitcher and a position player we might be able to pull this off. i'm sure we saw his true colors in the second half last season but his first half was crazy good, maybe it wasn't a fluke. i think he might be worth the risk since he is still very young.

[dadofandrew]

Very young is a stretch, but he's a solid SP, to be sure, who throws very hard, and is a big guy.

[pogokat]

played against Edwin growing up...i constantly root for him...hope the crew can get him, but i would guess the price will be high

[bklynbrewcrew]

This proves that Melvin should have spoke to the Tigers. We very well may have been able to get Jackson for Hardy and that would have been a good deal for us.

[jjfanec]

This proves that Melvin should have spoke to the Tigers. We very well may have been able to get Jackson for Hardy and that would have been a good deal for us.

I am pretty sure Melvin knew Hardy was not going to be enough for Edwin Jackson. A 26 year old pitcher coming of a very good year, who is cheap, nets a lot more than a SS who is starting to get expensive coming off a really poor year. Hardy at best was bringing back a pitcher like Aaron Harang who is expensive next year and declining at this stage in his career.

 

I do not know where you get the idea we very well could have gotten Jackson for Hardy. That seems to be a stretch. If Michael Bowden was the pitcher the Red Sox were offering do you really think Jackson would be the guy the Tigers offered? We would have to have given up other players as well to get Jackson.

[Ennder]

Not like the trade had to be just Hardy for Jackson, they could have built on it.

[Weirdos19]

Salome and Hart might fetch Jackson. But it's hard to imagine the Tigers trading Jackson without getting some young pitching in return. Maybe Bush and Hart for Jackson and a high salary player. Ordonez makes a ton, but Detroit may send some cash to get him off the books.

[jjfanec]

Not like the trade had to be just Hardy for Jackson, they could have built on it.

I agree but the poster I responded to said it would have been jackson for Hardy. I think we would have needed to add one of our best pitching prospects with Hardy to get the deal done.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Hardy would have been a nice start to getting Jackson. With so few quality shortstops on the market I find it hard to believe that Gomez was the best we could get for JJ.

[colbyjack]

Overall I agreed with some of the trade analysis over at BrewCrewBall that didn't challenge the talent that was received in return for Hardy, but the timing. Edwin Jackson would be the perfect trade target for Hardy, even if more would have to be included to make it happen.

 

I don't mean to get down on Melvin (enough are taking care of that), since I don't believe he just rushed into the trade without knowing what else he could get in return, but this is the best case of a woulda/coulda/shoulda scenario.

 

However, why would the Tigers trade Jackson? He had by far the best season of his career and he's still plenty young. However, he did pitch more like the pitcher he was prior to the 2009 season after the all-star break, and seemed to get worse the closer the Tigers got to the playoffs (of which of course they just missed). The Tigers may be trying to take advantage of his elevated value.

[NievesNoNO]

Probably an excellent move by the Tigers to sell high on the guy. If he's available the Brewers should certainly inquire, but I wouldn't want to give up too much to get him. He's still largely unproven. I suppose that's also what still makes him attainable for a team like the Brewers. It's a gamble I'd be willing to take. Who knows, maybe he's the next Johan in the making.

[miggs721]

Salome, and Gamel, for Jackson and Gerald Laird, who would backup Lucroy....this could work out

[stadiumsauce]

I would be very happy with the Brewers trading for Jackson. Doing that and signing one of the Wof/Washburn/Davis group and signing one or two of the high risk/injury prone FAs (Duscherer, Harden, Mulder, etc) to an incentive laden contract, would make me feel good about this rotation.

 

Something along the lines of...

 

Gallardo

Jackson

Wolf

Duscherer

Parra

 

Push Suppan to spot starter/long relief role

Do the same with Bush (or non-tender to save money...same with McClung)

Decline Loopers option

 

Now whether or not we have the pieces that Detroit wants...I guess we'll wait and see, but I think it'd make them competitive in the NL central.

[Luke7799.u]

ESPN's rumor central had a piece about Granderson and suggested a Granderon and jackson for prospects swap with Milwaukee. Not sure what they would want but maybe Gamel, Salome, Hart, etc. could be a start. Not positive where granderson fits with us though.

[GoudaBrew]

If we could flip Gomez and a handful of prospects to Detroit for Granderson and Jackson that would be, well awesome. But its probably just a dream.

[thebruce44]

They abused the hell out of him in the second half. I could see him becoming the next Carmona as easily as I could see him having a successful career.

[pogokat]

What will Granderson make next year? he was basically identical to Mike cameron last year...so he's probably not a huge upgrade

[recte44]

Granderson is one of my favorite players in the game. If he became the Brewer, well...I'd be downright giddy.

[Mike]

What will Granderson make next year? he was basically identical to Mike cameron last year...so he's probably not a huge upgrade

Granderson is signed through 2013 with a 2014 option as follows:

 

• 08:$1M, 09:$3.5M, 10:$5.5M, 11:$8.25M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M club option ($2M buyout)

Probably this salary is why the Tigers are willing to move him if true and cost prohibitive to Milwaukee, but I really like the idea of getting E. Jackson.

 

Perhaps Doug Melvin can facilitate getting Granderson to another team needing a CF and we get E. Jackson for Gamel or McGehee and Schafer or Cain? It will take two guys to get Jackson.

 

We now have to deal some of our OF strength with the acquisition of Gomez (Gomez, Gerut, Schafer, Cain, Gindl, etc.)

 

 

[TooLiveBrew]

ESPN's rumor central had a piece about Granderson and suggested a Granderon and jackson for prospects swap with Milwaukee. Not sure what they would want but maybe Gamel, Salome, Hart, etc. could be a start. Not positive where granderson fits with us though.

I agree with FIB4Brew that Gomez would be an obvious guy to include in the theoretical offer. I'd love to see Melvin pursue a package of Granderson & Jackson.

 

 

he was basically identical to Mike cameron last year...so he's probably not a huge upgrade

To me, it would just be a big upgrade over Gomez.

[vannzee]

Tigers fan here and I hope that neither Jackson nor Granderson are traded. Both are easily in my top 3 favorite players.

 

Jackson had a rough second half. But he was very good about going deep into the game and alot of times he gave up runs when he probley should have exited the game but Leyland left him in. There were rumors of tipping pitches and his arm may have grown tired by seasons end. Autograph fans would love Jackson as he loves to sign for his fans. Jackson is arbatration eligable so his salary is going up. On Tiger boards, one name that came up was Mat Gamel for Jackson.

 

Granderson has a misleading stat line. His homers are nice but his average and doubles are down while he can not hit lefties. He is a good defender and a even greater person. He takes care of the Detroit and Michigan youths. He also is from Chicago and does alot of work there. I dont think the Tigers want to trade him or Jackson for that matter but realize they could be attractive pieces to others and are willing to listen. Both are under team control and Granderson is arguably a top 8 centerfielder in baseball.

 

The Tigers are also intrested in trading C Gerald Laird, who is a excellent defender and mainly at throwing baserunners out. With Milwaukee not bringing Kendall back and LuCroy and Salome possible replacements, Laird could be a gap starter until they are ready or he could replace Mike Rivera.

[pogokat]

Granderson is a huge upgrade over gomez, but for money and quality...why not just try to resign cam for a contract similar to granderson's? Then we have basically the same player without adding extra talent to a trade to get granderson...Mike would probably come a bit cheaper and we wouldn't be on the hook for 3-4 years and 30 million bucks from a guy that died in the second half last year and can't hit lefties

[TooLiveBrew]

On Tiger boards, one name that came up was Mat Gamel for Jackson.

 

I wonder if this is a more realistic estimation of the kind of arm Gamel could return. If we're talking a 1-1 value of Edwin Jackson, is it still a trade worth making?

 

 

for money and quality...why not just try to resign cam for a contract similar to granderson's?

 

That's the direction I want the Brewers to take, but I'm not hopeful that it's the one they will take. I'd much prefer keeping Cam & either stashing Gomez in AAA or dealing him.

[pogokat]

"If we're talking a 1-1 value of Edwin Jackson, is it still a trade worth making? "

 

Yes---I would be impressed if they could get this for mat alone...I feel like the brewers are really down on mat...we've heard stuff about his personality for years...and we saw his problems last year...if the brewers don't feel confident in Mat, then i wouldn't be surprised to see him traded...he's very different from mcghee as a personality, so i wouldn't be surprised...

 

gamel for edwin wouldn't be a bad trade...much like gamel for nolasco or something similar...i really think they will do something like that.

[Mike]

gamel for edwin wouldn't be a bad trade...much like gamel for nolasco or something similar...

Agreed. I earlier stated it would take two prospects to get Edwin, if pogo is correct we should be thrilled getting him for one player.