Roy Halladay's price tag

[ILuvDaBush]

Is it truly guaranteed that the package would have to include a top pitching prospect? The Blue Jays have an abundance of young, controllable pitchers. What they lack is young, impact bats. Travis Snider is obviously the exception. But beyond him, their system is pretty devoid. Also, Ricciardi was supposedly fired because he didn't get a Halladay trade done this past deadline. And according to those at the meetings, their new GM is much more amenable to a deal. I would think Gamel would be the ideal starting point. Beyond him, Gindl/Cain would be a good piece. And finally, we have a good amount of lower minors, high-ceiling pitching. Is it going to happen? Very doubtful. Could it happen? Definitely. Will Halladay be traded within a year? Undoubtedly.

[gobrew23]

It's being reported that Halladay will not approve a trade after he's reported to spring training for the Blue Jays, essentially forcing something to happen sooner rather than later I guess. Don't really know if that changes much unless it's getting close to spring training with no deal done yet.

 

Halladay Article

[Invader3K]

Seems like the more this type of stuff gets out, the more the asking price has to be dropping (in theory). I hope Melvin is at least talking with Toronto, though I still expect he'll end up on the East Coast somewhere.

[TooLiveBrew]

My problem (as others have noted) is that I don't want to do another Sabathia trade. I just can't see any way the Brewers could retain Doc, and no way do I want to see the team pay through the nose in prospects for one season. I agree that the asking price has to be dropping, though.

[tigerbrew]

There are 3 untouchables in this team -> Yo, Braun and Prince. No way do I want any of these 3 traded this offseason, they are our key players and I want to add another to this mix. My hope is for the Brewers to add another stud SP to complement Yo. A Halliday and Yo combo could really solidify the rotation, and imagine a Halliday and Yo rotation in postseason, we'd stand a good chance to win a playoff series.

I still think that Halliday is well within reach (extension included) for the Brewers and an offer of Parra and Gamel is more than sufficient to get it done. Because of the money component and service time, it's a lot cheaper trade wise to get Halliday than Josh Johnson.

I really hope DM is working hard on getting Halliday right now, but sadly there's no mention of him talking to the Jays in any of the news outlet. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

[yoshii8]

I am willing to bet that Melvin has contacted the Jays about Halladay. I wouldn't put too much stock into what the media says, I think 99% of it is all speculation at this point. I would love to see Melvin get a horse like Halladay or Josh Johnson to anchor our rotation, I think it would take a lot of pressure off of Gallardo.

[Invader3K]

It was reported that Melvin was trying to trade for Halladay before the July 31st deadline, so I'd be surprised if he doesn't at least inquire about him again.

[NievesNoNO]

I think the Jays have lost a ton of value with Halladay. The most I think he brings back now is 1 top tier prospect and either a good low level minor league guy or a major league roster filler type. At what point does it benefit them to just bring him back and let him walk after the year and take the two comp. picks?

As for the Brewers, I'd offer Gamel straight up. Maybe they all ready have done that, but like many of you I don't want to gut the system either for a player we won't be able to retain.

[bklynbrewcrew]

The only way I would make a Halladay deal is if we had a long term deal in place with him. If we can get him signed I would be willing to give up Gamel/Lawrie, Parra and a minor league arm.

[HiAndTight]

There are 3 untouchables in this team -> Yo, Braun and Prince. No way do I want any of these 3 traded this offseason, they are our key players and I want to add another to this mix.

While I understand that "Untouchable" doesn't literally mean untouchable(if the Rays came to us with Price and Upton, I'm thinking Braun or Prince would be gone). That said, it means as close to as possible.

 

I have to say I really hope that isn't the case with Prince. It should take a kings ransom and a deal similar to what people were suggesting for Halladay last year IMO, but we should also be listening. If I had to tag 3 untouchable players I'd remove Prince and throw in Lawrie. Not that he's more "valuable" per say, but I don't see us getting what I percieve to be an equal return on our investment.

[nate82]

It doesn't look like the Blue Jays asking price is coming down. It looks as though the Yankees and the Red Sox may enter into a bidding war for Halladay. I could see the Yankees giving up Hughes plus a low level prospect for Halladay. I could also see the Red Sox giving up Buchholz plus a low level prospect for Halladay. I don't believe the Red Sox or the Yankees will give up two premiere prospects but I wouldn't be surprised if either Hughes, Chamberlain, or Buchholz would be traded for Halladay along with some lower level prospects.

 

The Brewers do not have what it will take to get Halladay. The Blue Jays are looking for pitching in return for Halladay and the Brewers just do not have what the Jays are looking for other than Gallardo.

[HiAndTight]

The only way I would make a Halladay deal is if we had a long term deal in place with him. If we can get him signed I would be willing to give up Gamel/Lawrie, Parra and a minor league arm.

There are two schools of thought here. Most would say if you're going to spend that type of money, spend it on Prince. However if there's ever been two players that sorta skew that "position players are a better bet to stay healthy and pitchers to get hurt" ideal, it's these two....

 

So I'd be a lot more comfortable giving Halladay a 4 year 90 million dollar deal than giving Prince a similar deal over 7 years. I'd also be comfortable giving up Gamel(still not Lawrie), Parra, a minor league arm, and a guy like Gindl as a big of a starting point. Not that we'd have to give up TOO much more IMO, but they'd likely want something to sweeten it.

 

 

Honestly though, the team I think goes after Halladay....the Phillies. With or without Hamels, they've still got the pieces in place to trade for him, and they've actually got more than enough, they have the money to lock him up, and with a front line of Halladay, Lee and Hamels, they could get right back in the world series. That's a scary good rotation. And their young GM seems awfully aggressive. Just makes sense on so many levels. The only one it doesn't is it seems a little crazy that they'd end up with both Lee and Halladay, but that may be what it takes for the Phillies to beat the Yankees next year, and that's gotta be their top priority.

[nate82]

A trade for Halladay unlikely according to Ash in McCalvy's current blog post.

 

Looks like the rumors are true the Jays are looking for a Major League ready pitcher which the Brewers do not have and a prospect in AA or AAA which the Brewers do have. Unless the Brewers would be willing to trade Gallardo plus a prospect like Gamel or Lawrie for Halladay I don't see a trade for Halladay happening.

[tigerbrew]

Why no mention of Parra in the article? Isn't he not a former top pitching prospect and now cheap major league ready pitcher? And he's a lefty.

[nate82]

Why no mention of Parra in the article? Isn't he not a former top pitching prospect and now cheap major league ready pitcher? And he's a lefty.

b/c when you look at Parra against the possible tradeables in Buchholz, Hughes, and Chamberlain Parra doesn't look that good. It looks as though the Brewers do not want to empty the cupboard for 1-year of Halladay and Halladay may just veto a trade to Milwaukee also. Parra just isn't someone the Jays would be looking at if they are offered any of those three pitchers.

[logan82]

Parra is exactly the type of pitcher we would want to trade for. A guy with potential that had a bad year. I am not a big believer in "change of scenery" so I would just hold onto him.

[endaround]

Parra is this years "Edwin Jackson" that everyone wants to trade for. I'll be very, very surprised if the Jays get one one those three pitchers. Halladay is looking to bring in a Santana type return not a blockbuster rebuild.

[Weirdos19]

MLBtraderumors.com state that Halladay wants his Springing training in Florida. He lives there. That eliminates the Brewers. Now go sign Wolf and Sheets.

[Invader3K]

Yeah, that report makes it sound like he's adamant that he won't be traded to a Cactus League club.