Roy Halladay's price tag

[TooLiveBrew]

I like that aspect of possibly dealing for Halladay at this point. My only concern would be overpaying for one season of the guy. I wouldn't want to send Gamel or Lawrie, and would hesitate to send either Lucroy or Salome (unless the price wasn't much higher than one of them alone). Would an offer of McGehee + Salome/Lucroy be enough from TOR's perspective? Would it be too much from the Brewers'? I get the feeling that TOR could do better than that, but I'm not sure I'd want Melvin to increase that hypothetical offer.

[Raw Biz]

If all it takes is McGehee and Salome, I would definitely be in, even for just a year. Unfortunately, I don't think that is nearly enough. While Toronto would probably love to have Lawrie with him being Canadian, I would hesitate to give him up. If we could somehow sign Halladay to an extension (4 years 80-85 mil?), then I would send Gamel, Parra, Salome, and one of our other mid level prospects no problem. I just don't know if we would have the money to keep him long-term.

[nate82]

If the Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox offer Buchholz, Billingsley, or Hughes/Chamberlain I don't see the Brewers even having a shot in getting Halladay. All four players are better than what the Brewers could offer right now with them being all pitchers and somewhat proven ones at that.

[jackalope02ca]

The brewers would need to start a package with Gallardo to get this done and I sure hope it isn't going to happen. Prospects and long shots coming off of a bad year just aren't going to cut it alone.

[endaround]

No they wouldn't. Again we got the Cliff Lee trade as a basis. The Indians got 4 players. One a ready to go pitcher, one a pitcher with a hue arm in A but serious control problems, and two guys who might be backups for 18 months of a cheap ace.

[Teatoe993]

I agree with endaround on this one. We're not gonna have to mortgage everything to get him. And I think we could make it happen without giving up Gamel. A package starting with Gallardo just seems insane to me. Toronto holding onto Halladay last year has depleted his value. They didn't get what they thought he was worth and the Phillies got Cliff Lee at a much cheaper price and got Halladayesque results. Not to mention that they're paying Cliff Lee a whole lot less.

Now Halladay only has one year left on his contract with a no-trade clause. He also costs more than Lee. I don't really see anyone ponying up much more talent than what was received in the Lee deal. I think Lawrie/Salome/Scarpetta could totally get this deal done. That is if Toronto has come back to reality.

[brewmann04]

The talk here in NY is the Yanks are looking at making a run at Halladay wow what a shock.

[fondybrewfan]

If by some miracle the Brewers and Jays actually work out a deal including a window to negotiate an extension I wouldn't hesitate at Gamel, Lawrie, Scarpetta, and Parra. If we could get the best pitcher in baseball for 3+ years that would be a no brainer IMO. Of course the odds of the Brewers actually being able to pay Halladay what he would want would be betweem slim and none.

 

If we could only get Halladay for 2010 w/o an extension I would limit it to Gamel, Scarpetta, and a 2009 draft pick PTBNL. Maybe Parra if they throw in a decent prospect.

[chadomac]

There is no reason teams would give up younger pitching for Halladay. Why would you trade Billingsley or Kershaw and prospects for Halladay? That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think the Dodgers ever would. Same for Gallardo, the fact that you have him for minimal money over many years makes that difference in ERA not worth it.

 

I agree with the people that are saying people are overvaluing what the Jays will get back. I think Parra, Salome, and one other good prospect gets it done. I think it could be done without giving up Gamel.

[Raw Biz]

I could see giving up Hughes or Chamberlain for Halladay but no way would I give up Billingsley/Kershaw and probably not Bucholz either.

[Tbadder]

Rivas, Salome, and Hart. That's it. Let someone else overspend.

[chadomac]

Right, I don't see the Bucholz scenario happening either. To me, it's obvious that 3/4/5 years of a young pitcher that will probably have a 3.5ish ERA is worth more than 1 year of 2.5 or 3.0 ERA pitching.

 

I think 3 out of 4 of Hart/Rivas/Parra/Salome would get it done.

[wibadgers23]

Not a huge surprise, but Halladay won't re-sign with the Jays after 2010.

 

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[tigerbrew]

From what I've read, Halliday is well within reach for the Brewers including the extension. Dear Doug Melvin, please do everything you can to get him, I implore you please. We need to add a starting pitcher of his calibre to realistically contend and possibly do better than 2008.

[Invader3K]

From what I've read, Halliday is well within reach for the Brewers including the extension.

If he is that obtainable, what is stopping a team like the Red Sox from getting him instead by offering a slightly better deal?

[nate82]

If he is that obtainable, what is stopping a team like the Red Sox from getting him instead by offering a slightly better deal?

The Red Sox don't really want to give up their two best prospects for Halladay. Rumors are that the Blue Jays are looking to get two really good prospects and a B or C level prospect along with those two.

 

So something like Gamel, Gallardo, and Cain/Schafer would be a starting point that the Blue Jays would be looking at. Names that have been floating around for the Red Sox have been Buchholz and Casey Kelly for Halladay. I doubt the Blue Jays will move Halladay for anything less than that and I believe the Blue Jays will just let Halladay walk after this season if they don't find a trade that they like.

[Invader3K]

Uh, well since there's no way the Brewers will trade Gallardo, I guess this discussion becomes kind of moot.

[sheetswannabe]

Theres no way they would ask for Gallardo. But if they did, I would love for Doug Melvin to laugh in their face. Why would we want to solve a problem (pitching) by taking a step back by trading our only ace-ish pitcher? The fact that they would then ask for another top prospect (Gamel, Salome, Lawrie) would be enough reason to hang up the phone.

 

How about: Gamel, Parra, and Gindl?

 

Now, I understand it could be a possible step back IF Parra has a breakout season next year. I myself haven't seen enough proof that Parra is due for something outstanding, but I do agree he has pretty good potential.

[chadomac]

Gallardo isn't ever going to even be brought up because it's a ridiculous idea in the first place. 4 or 5 cost-controlled years of Gallardo are worth a lot more than one year of Halladay even if Halladay is much better pitcher (which he is). Nobody would trade Gallardo for Halladay straight up, let alone add Brewers players to the deal. It's ridiculous.

 

Also, anyone else a little upset that we don't have a shortstop anymore to put in a trade for Halladay? I am. I think Hardy, Parra, and a decent prospect would've gotten it done. Too bad.

[pingman]

the point is you need to trade major league ready pitching prospects, like Bucholtz for example, to get an ace like Holliday.... unfortunately the Brewers don't have those kind of prospects

[fleehaw]

the point is you need to trade major league ready pitching prospects, like Bucholtz for example, to get an ace like Holliday.... unfortunately the Brewers don't have those kind of prospects

The Lee and Sabathia trades would indicate that's not necessarily the case.

[Invader3K]

I don't think the Brewers would even be willing to trade for him unless they can get an extension done. There have been rumblings that Halladay is going to be very picky about where he goes to next. I expect him to land on the East Coast, not Milwaukee.

[TheCrew07]

the point is you need to trade major league ready pitching prospects, like Bucholtz for example, to get an ace like Holliday.... unfortunately the Brewers don't have those kind of prospects

The Lee and Sabathia trades would indicate that's not necessarily the case.

When you're trading a rental player you'll take the best deal available at that time. If you are moving a player with more than 1 year of service time left before FA you can afford to sit on said player until you get exactly the deal you want. Take the going rate for a rental pitcher and then go +1 on the prospect list. If the team has SP depth they may be looking for just hitting prospects, but that's only 2 or 3 organizations in all of baseball. The vast majority of teams trading established pitching are going to want young pitching coming back in a deal.

[Invader3K]

The latest buzz on MLBTR this morning says the Jays want "an MLB-ready arm and bat" both "young and affordable for several years" for Halladay. I think we can come up with the bat pretty easily (Mat Gamel or someone else). The pitching, maybe not so much. I doubt Manny Parra would cut it when a team like the Red Sox could offer up someone much better.

[nate82]

Also, anyone else a little upset that we don't have a shortstop anymore to put in a trade for Halladay? I am. I think Hardy, Parra, and a decent prospect would've gotten it done. Too bad.

Also I don't believe Hardy would be wanted by the Blue Jays at all. The Jays just wouldn't be controlling Hardy for all that long so no Hardy wouldn't be in a deal that would land Halladay. Hardy would have been a throw in more than likely. No way the Jays would have accepted that trade. Parra wouldn't be enough it would have had to be Gallardo. The Jays are not going to move Halladay for anything less than two great prospects that they can control for a long time. Neither Parra or Hardy fit that bill.

There have been rumblings that Halladay is going to be very picky about where he goes to next. I expect him to land on the East Coast, not Milwaukee.

I agree. I don't think the Brewers have a chance at Halladay. The Brewers have more of a chance landing Josh Johnson, King Felix, or Lackey than they are likely to get Halladay. The Brewers just do not have the pitching prospects outside of Gallardo to get a trade done for Halladay. I don't even see a possibility where a three team trade would work either. The Brewers should really be targeting younger pitchers in trades right now.