Roy Halladay's price tag

[Hate those Rodents]

What is a guess to what it would take to get Roy Halladay. I have to admit that I think we might make a big pitch for him now. Would Gamel, Lawrie, Parra, and Salome get it done? Is that too much, too little, or just about right?

 

Edited to add that they maybe like Dave Bush a bit too, since they did have him on their team a few years ago and he's a decent pitcher.

[nate82]

Too much right now. Gamel, pitcher, positional player, and a PTBNL should get it done right now.

[trwi7]

That would be way overpaying for a one year rental, imo.

[Invader3K]

Maybe Gamel and Salome could get it done at this point. While I'd love to see "Doc" as a Brewer, I equally would not want to see them grossly overpay for a one year rental.

[jjfanec]

Could a Halladay trade be similar to the Santana trade where the team trading for him could try to sign him to an extension before finalizing the deal? That is the only way I see it making sense for the Brewers, although I am not certain if Halladay would want to play long term.

[Invader3K]

It's not a forgone conclusion the Jays will trade him, either. They could very well try to sign him to an extension. They gained some payroll flexibility after trading Rios.

[bobskube]

It's not a forgone conclusion the Jays will trade him, either. They could very well try to sign him to an extension. They gained some payroll flexibility after trading Rios.

Toronto still over their number. They will trade Halliday IMO either before the season or at the break if they think they could get a better deal which can happen when teams will be more inclined to overpay. However, they then risk a possible injury to Halladay so I assume a trade goes down before holidays for Halladay.

[Invader3K]

Actually, you're probably right. Their new GM just did an interview where he said something to the effect of "We want to keep Halladay...I think he wants to stay, but wants to win as well, so our timetables may not match up." I think that sets the platform for a possible trade.

[colbyjack]

All signs seem to point to Halladay being with another team to open the 2010 season. Several comments from their new GM, as noted above, point to him being dealt by the end of the Winter Meetings.

 

"I think I have to be open-minded to anything that can make this ballclub better going forward and better for the long-term," Anthopoulos said. "I think he stressed that his timeline for winning and ours may not mesh and may not match."

 

That quote comes from from a link (via MLB Trade Rumors) to a story written by Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star that breaks down the likely asking price and the teams most likely to be a good fit. The Brewers weren't included among those teams, but you still have to think a package that includes Parra and Gamel could be a good starting point to make Halladay's acquisition possible.

 

Here is Griffin's take on the asking price:

 

The ideal package for Halladay would include a young mid-rotation starter with an upside, a top pitching prospect, a possible major-league shortstop and an outfield prospect.

 

The Brewers used to fill the need for a SS, but the rest they would be able to offer. Parra, Gamel, Scarpetta/Peralta/Rivas and Cain/Schafer/Gindl could get it done. Such a deal would give the Blue Jays significant payroll flexibility to go out and buy (Orlando Cabrera?) or keep (Scutaro) the shortstop they're looking for.

 

The financial aspect of it is another story, and just because he is a possible one-year rental doesn't lessen what they can expect to receive in return. Sabathia was a 3-4 month rental and still came with a heavy price tag. I would think that several of the teams mentioned (Astros, Tigers, White Sox) don't have the talent necessary to acquire him via trade. The Red Sox are expected to be involved, but would the Blue Jays really move him within the division?

 

I'm not overly excited about the possibility of losing so much talent (again) in one trade, but if the playoffs are the goal for the 2010 Brewers, it would be hard to argue against such an acquisition.

[bklynbrewcrew]

This organization cannot afford to empty out the system once again for a rental even if its someone as good as Halladay. I would hate to put everything into a playoff run in 2010 and leave the following few years without any chance of winning.

[colbyjack]

I don't think such moves would be that crippling, and that's why I added the depth of players of which the team could trade from. If one of Cain, Schafer and Gindl are traded, there are still two others still in the system. Same with Scarpetta, Peralta and Rivas. Parra obviously would be the biggest potential loss, if he's able to live up to his potential with the Blue Jays, and Gamel of course could potentially hurt if the Brewers struggle to find adequate long-term answers in RF and/or 3B. Even then we have the remaining OFs as listed, as well as Brett Lawrie.

 

Moving any pitcher would be tough to swallow, and hopefully the Brewers could make a serious run at signing Halladay to a 4-5 year extension. I normally wouldn't be open to that, but at 32 years old he has been amazingly consistent and has shown no signs of slowing down.

 

And since the team has had such a difficult time making the playoffs, I would mind seeing them load up and go for it. Some of the most successful teams in baseball, such as the Phillies in recent years, haven't been shy about thinning out their systems in an attempt to go for it all.

[Mass Haas]

Money talks (re: long-term deal), but Halladay has expressed extremely strong sentiments about going to a team that has spring training in Florida.

[Mike]

Regardless of how each of us feel about individual players, the goal is for Milwaukee to build a winner. Per colbyjack the Crew is deep in the aforementioned minor league positions, so it is OK to thin down those spots if you can acquire a SP like Halladay. There are other drafts and 2009 selections which look good.

 

I also agree and in fact would insist on a long term deal for Halladay if we give away too much.

 

This is the first I have heard of Halladay wanting to have ST in Florida. To me, that is a bit short sighted on his part given he should be there for only 5 weeks per season. Hopefully that can be worked around.

[Raw Biz]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/blue-jays-will-give-teams-a-window-to-discuss-an-extension-with-halladay.html

 

If we were able to get an extension with Halladay, what would it be and who would we then have to give up? I wonder if Colby's offer of Parra, Gamel, Scarpetta/Peralta/Rivas and Cain/Schafer/Gindl could get it done then, with maybe adding Salome, if we signed a 4 year extension. I don't know if I am ready to give up on Parra just yet but I don't know who else we could add.

[chadomac]

If we could get 1 year of Halliday for McGehee or Gamel, any 1 of our pitching prospects, and Parra... I would be willing to do that in a second.

 

To me, for just one year of him, that seems like a fair price.

 

I also wouldn't want to extend him more than 3 additional years. Pitchers are scary.

[Weirdos19]

Very smart of the Jays to offer that window. I'd say it would take Gamel, Salome, Parra, and Scarpetta. That's if an extension is signed Without an extension, I's still give Gamel and Parra. But no more.

[nate82]

Very smart of the Jays to offer that window. I'd say it would take Gamel, Salome, Parra, and Scarpetta. That's if an extension is signed Without an extension, I's still give Gamel and Parra. But no more.

I think the Yankees or the Red Sox are going to end up with Halladay. I believe the Yankees will offer Hughes and a C level prospect for Halladay or the Red Sox will give Bard/Buchholtz and a C level prospect for Halladay. If either the Yankees or the Red Sox land Halladay they will more than likely be able to extend him and the Blue Jays will be able to get more in the trade. If the Red Sox are able to get Halladay signed for an extension I wouldn't be surprised if it was Buchholtz and Anderson for Halladay. I wouldn't rule out the Yankess trading Chamberlain plus a prospect to the Jays for Halladay either.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I think the Brewers Should offer Lawrie/Gamel/Parra for Halladay. That I think will be a very attractive offer. Give him 20-25 million a year. He is worth it.

[tigerbrew]

I'm all for getting Halladay, read that he wants an extension to waive his no-trade clause. I wouldn't mind offering Parra and Gamel for him, plus a 3 year $60M extension.

[thebruce44]

I can't even imagine a world where the Brewers offer a pitcher $20 mil a year. Its fun to talk about, but really I think this is mostly a pipe dream.

[marty22]

I can't even imagine a world where the Brewers offer a pitcher $20 mil a year. Its fun to talk about, but really I think this is mostly a pipe dream.

CC says hi

[PrinceFielderx1]

I can't even imagine a world where the Brewers offer a pitcher $20 mil a year. Its fun to talk about, but really I think this is mostly a pipe dream.

CC says hi

lol... It's a long shot, but who knows.

[fleehaw]

I can't even imagine a world where the Brewers offer a pitcher $20 mil a year. Its fun to talk about, but really I think this is mostly a pipe dream.

CC says hi

Yes, but it's one thing to offer a 'fair' contract offer with the knowledge that you'll be greatly outbid at near certainty versus negotiating an extension at that rate with a player you're attempting to trade for. Perhaps the Bruce should have said, 'I can't imagine a world where the Brewers sign a pitcher at $20 mil a year.'

[RockCoCougars]

I thought that Lawrie, Hardy, Parra, mid level prospect would have maybe gotten this done. With Hardy gone, I think that the cost in prospects would be too high (Lawrie AND Gamel for example)

[endaround]

I think people are really overestimating what Halladay will command. Lee brought back one solid prospect and three guys with some upside but far from top prospects ready to contribute.