College Basketball 2009-2010 (part 1)

[GB12]

Well that kills. Horrible final 3 minutes. Easily could have come back, but they chose to jack up threes instead of taking the points.

[LouisEly]

I guess it speaks to how bad Berggren, Gavinski, and Markoff are if they combine for only one minute to defend the 7-1 Tisdale. UW got beat by two players - Tisdale and McCamey. Everyone else combined for 17 points. Tisdale was 8-11 from the field and shot only three free throws. If nothing else I have those three in there just to hack him and make him earn it from the line instead of getting easy baskets.

 

Either way your opponent can't shoot 53+% from the field. Tisdale and McCamey combined to shoot 19-28. You can't let that happen.

[thebruce44]

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! That is all.

[GB12]

And Michigan State loses. Would have been tied for first had we won.

[TooLiveBrew]

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! That is all.

Seconded. There was easily 8 points left on the table by Bucky tonight. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

Tip of the hat to Illinois, though. They shot very well all game. However, I'm so sick & tired of seeing Badgers defenders misplay the pick-&-roll. Ever since the Purdue game in West Lafayette, that's all teams seem to be running on us... and our defenders refuse to fight through the screen, or step out to buy time for the guard/wing to recover from the screen (depending on big/small position). Dear Bo Ryan, the pick-&-roll is as basic as it gets. Please correct what you haven't been able to correct in four straight games now. Love, TLB.

Thanks TLB. Not that you like seeing star players out, but many Big Ten teams have lost a prominent player for a substantial period. If it helps Purdue win, I won't feel bad about it.

The guy actually played tonight (entered the game with 14:25 remaining in the first half). He was limping, but managed to get to the foul line 11 times (hit 8 of them). He didn't shoot well, but scored 12 points.

I really, really, really, really, really want it to be time for Leuer to return. He's exactly what was missing in tonight's game for UW.

[brewcrew7]

Tonight pretty much tells you what the big ten is. A big mess of average teams fighting it out. The badgers dropped to 5th in the conference today. That is how slim the margin is of being a good team and being a second thought. They will lose another game and that will kill their NCAA seed. But none of these teams will not scare anyone come tourney time.

[TooLiveBrew]

Hey, who would've though you'd come trolling back tonight?

[owbc]

Tonight pretty much tells you what the big ten is. A big mess of average teams fighting it out.

Agreed. And this last week also told you what the Big East was. A big mess of average teams fighting it out as well, right?

 

As for the Badger game, this one hurt, but Bucky was starting to become overrated. What we really have learned is that Wisconsin can win big games without Jon Leuer, but Ohio State and Michigan State can not win without their star player. The conference is still up for grabs, and Illinois just went from being a bubble team to a serious contender.

[brewcrew7]

Why is Illinois now a serious team now because of this win? They are tied for first place. I think this is where the dillusion comes in. They beat Bucky, on their home floor, and are ahead of them in the standings. How did today make them a contender but Bucky was this great team already?

 

And how am I trolling? Because I know that teams in the Big Ten, Duke, N. Carolina, W. Virginia, and Texas are teams that are not really that good? I think people watch a bit more ESPN than they should. Have a thought of your own. The media likes the big names to have good years and just kills the topic. Heck, they are still talking like Carolina is on the bubble. 13-10 and 2-6 in conference. That is how bad the media is these days. None of these teams are any good and will not provide any excitement come tourney time. And for what it's worth, I don't think Kentucky will make that deep of a run. Just so I have it all out there. We will see how I do come tourney time but I have done pretty well in the past and I will be back and own up to these predictions.

[TooLiveBrew]

You consistently tear down one team & conference, with no facts to back up your argument. Basically, it seems that unless a team is NBA-caliber, you 'don't think they will make that deep of a run'

 

Who are the teams you like & see doing well? All we've heard so far is vague references. When asked to list the teams you had as better than UW in the major conferences, you completely ducked.

I smell a BF.net bracket-off a-comin'...

[jjkoestler]

Please do not feed the trolls.

[Diskono]

He's a UWGB fan.

[Roscoe Chill]

He tells people to have a thought of their own and stop watching ESPN, a network that consistently disses the Big Ten. Hilarious.

[Buckylovesbeer]

Mike Lucas has an article bashing the UW student section today, for empty seats last night. Many friends and former alumni of UW (along with myself) have discussed this issue in the past.....in FB, students show up late and are more worried about the wave than the game. In hoops, they show up late and only get excited for "big games" such as Duke and Michigan State. Hockey seems to be the only sport where student fans are nuts all of the time. The article also argues about the validity of moving the student section from one end to the side of the court......It starts an interesting debate.

 

The article is quite interesting. I am a huge Badger fan, and a season ticket holder, so please dont take this as me bashing them! I thought it would start a nice little discussion here.

 

And to change topics, I agree that ESPN disses the Big Ten all the time!

[BrewerAddiction]

I guess it speaks to how bad Berggren, Gavinski, and Markoff are if they combine for only one minute to defend the 7-1 Tisdale. UW got beat by two players - Tisdale and McCamey. Everyone else combined for 17 points. Tisdale was 8-11 from the field and shot only three free throws. If nothing else I have those three in there just to hack him and make him earn it from the line instead of getting easy baskets.

 

Either way your opponent can't shoot 53+% from the field. Tisdale and McCamey combined to shoot 19-28. You can't let that happen.

Not to single you out, as I've seen others mention this as well, but can we please stop this notion that Gavinski and Markoff should be playing. It should be pretty apparent they are not D1 quality big man and likely never will be. They were recruiting misses, it happens. As for Berggren, he's a freshman and is still learning, can't expect to much from him at this point. I don't think it's any indication that he's bad. In regards to Tisdale, he's a very good free throw shooter - upwards of 80% - and a lot of his shots were jumpers from the outside, not very conducive to fouling.

 

Tough loss for Bucky. They looked pretty good early in the game, and then the shots stopped fallilng. And McCamey got hot. Tip your hat to Illinois, they were the better team that night.

 

 

[zzzmanwitz]

Hockey fans are the only true fans at Wisconsin. I may even throw in Women's Volleyball.

 

(This is only Student sections that I'm referring to, not general public).

[TooLiveBrew]

Please do not feed the trolls.

Sorry...

[Glennron]

It's too bad Rob Wilson isn't six inches taller, he's the only player I see attempt to take it inside. Not just last night, but in other games too. There's a reason he shot more than half of the team's free throws last night. I really miss those days where Wisconsin would make more free throws than their opponents would attempt. For the 100th time, please get healed, Leuer.

[brewcrew7]

He tells people to have a thought of their own and stop watching ESPN, a network that consistently disses the Big Ten. Hilarious.

Ya they never talk about Michigan St. Give me a break. And Purdue gets some credit as well. But the big one, Indiana, could be an average team and they would be blowing them up. And besides those two, what is there really to talk about the Big Ten? Lucky they are even talking about these two.

 

[hawing]

Mike Lucas has an article bashing the UW student section today, for empty seats last night.

Link to article

 

The S.O. and I both noticed what we thought was an unusually large number of people sitting in the 100-level student sections who were clearly not of traditional student age. Not a majority by any means, but enough to stand out. That used to happen only for non-conference and winter break games.

 

Not to derail the thread much, but zzzmanwitz, do you attend volleyball matches? I agree that the Block Party section, while not large in numbers, is large in spirit.

[zzzmanwitz]

but zzzmanwitz, do you attend volleyball matches?

 

I did when I went to school there, but alas I have moved away and don't get to many games anymore.

[TooLiveBrew]

Ya they never talk about Michigan St. Give me a break. And Purdue gets some credit as well. But the big one, Indiana, could be an average team and they would be blowing them up. And besides those two, what is there really to talk about the Big Ten? Lucky they are even talking about these two.

Still waiting on those conference lists from you. Otherwise, please just stop talking about the Big Ten.

[brewcrew7]

TooLiveBrew]

brewcrew7 wrote:

Ya they never talk about Michigan St. Give me a break. And Purdue gets some credit as well. But the big one, Indiana, could be an average team and they would be blowing them up. And besides those two, what is there really to talk about the Big Ten? Lucky they are even talking about these two.

Still waiting on those conference lists from you. Otherwise, please just stop talking about the Big Ten.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

 

Well here is all you should need to know. I told you they would not do very well if they stepped up to another conference and if the top teams in this conference lose a few more games the conference could fall below the A10 or the mountain west. The big ten is a battle but that is because it's an average conference.

 

[amt2138]

I usually win my bracket pools too. My secret is that I talk everyone down and then I fill out my brackets after the tournament is over. I've had a few perfect brackets in my day.

[Diskono]

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

 

Well here is all you should need to know. I told you they would not do very well if they stepped up to another conference and if the top teams in this conference lose a few more games the conference could fall below the A10 or the mountain west. The big ten is a battle but that is because it's an average conference.

I think you're misinterpreting that. To me, all it says is that the Big Ten has more really bad teams at the bottom dragging their average RPI score down. The teams at the top and in the middle are very comparable, and if RPI is the be-all-end-all, the top three in the Big Ten would also be top three of any of those other conferences except the Big East.

 

Clearly not "average" as you say.