College Basketball 2009-2010 (part 1)

[TooLiveBrew]

Conf. winning %, or overall?

[zzzmanwitz]

Only Conference winning %.

[TooLiveBrew]

Seems like there's some circular logic at play there. I'm sure the Big Ten has a way to determine tiebreakers in extreme situations (like a four-way tie), though.

[homer]

Don't they just have co-champions? I seem to recall UW splitting the title once or twice.

[zzzmanwitz]

There are co-champions. We are just talking seeding for the Big Ten Tournament.

 

What do you mean circular logic? Say you have teams 2-5 all tied. The first tie breaker would be combined record of all games between those four teams. This weeds out teams 2 and 5, 3 and 4 are still tied.

 

The next tie breaker would be teams 3 and 4 records vs the #1 seed, then the new #2 seed, and then the #5 seed, then 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.

 

I don't know the next level of tie breaker. I have a hard time believing it could ever get that far.

[homer]

Ah, ok. Missed that. Thanks.

[TooLiveBrew]

What do you mean circular logic?

 

My thought was that it'd be tough to rank by conf. winning percentage if all four teams or whatever were tied atop the conference. My admittedly extreme hypothetical was a 4-way tie for first place, where each of the four teams has split their head-to-head games. More just a curiosity than anything I find realistic.

[olliegjw]

There are co-champions. We are just talking seeding for the Big Ten Tournament.

 

What do you mean circular logic? Say you have teams 2-5 all tied. The first tie breaker would be combined record of all games between those four teams. This weeds out teams 2 and 5, 3 and 4 are still tied.

 

The next tie breaker would be teams 3 and 4 records vs the #1 seed, then the new #2 seed, and then the #5 seed, then 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.

 

I don't know the next level of tie breaker. I have a hard time believing it could ever get that far.

I thing the circular logic comes into play if the tiebreaker is for the #1 seed. How can the second tiebreaker be record vs. the #1 seed if that is what they are determining?

 

 

[stalton]

Wisconsin is #11 in AP poll with Purdue 6th, M State 10th and Ohio State 13th

 

Purdue Big 10 Losses: @ Wisconsin, @ Ohio State, Northwestern

Wisconsin Big 10 Losses: @Purdue, @ Ohio State, @ Michigan State

Wisconsin NC Losses @Gonzaga, @UW-GB

 

So if I get my math right, the first 2 losses on the list cancel out so losing to NW at home is much better according to the AP than losing @ State, @Gonzaga and @ UW-GB

 

The Zags are 16th now so, IMO its the loss in GB that is killer. If only we could have taken that game, because a win there puts Wisconsin ahead of Purdue comparatively speaking. So a win there theoretically moves them up 5-ish places, currently

[zzzmanwitz]

I understand your point stalton, but just want to clarify. Gonzaga was on a neutral court.

[zzzmanwitz]

New Bracketology is out on ESPN.

Michigan St is a 2 seed playing Sam Houston. Winner to play winner of UNLV (7) vs. California (10)

Wisconsin is a 3 seed playing College of Charleston. Winner to play winner of Wake Forest (6) vs. Siena (11)

Purdue is a 3 seed playing Weber St. Winner to play winner of Butler (6) vs. Clemson (11)

Ohio St. is a 5 seed playing Louisville. Winner to play winner of BYU (4) vs. Northeastern (13)

Illinois is an 11 seed playing Northern Iowa. winner to play winner of Kansas St. (3) vs. Oakland (14).

Last Four In:

Oklahoma State

Dayton

Old Dominion

Louisville

First 4 out:

Marquette

Cincinnati

Notre Dame

South Florida

Next 4 out:

Connecticut

Virginia Tech

Virginia

Wichita State

PAC 10 is only sending one School... California.

[Oldcity]

How about the first five out being Big East teams? I'd bet money one or two of those teams will make it. Marquette is surging, and I think they'll get in.

[trwi7]

Gonzaga is getting way too friendly of a seed and location imo. I know they beat Wisconsin head to head on a neutral court, but that's their best win. They got absolutely stomped by Duke at Madison Square Garden, a 36 point loss.

 

Wins against Mississippi Valley State, IPFW, Colorado, Cincinnati, Washington State, Augustana Illinois, Davidson, Eastern Washington, Oklahoma, Illinois, Portland, St. Mary's, San Diego, Pepperdine, Loyola Marymount, Santa Clara, Portland and Memphis aren't that impressive.

 

How do they get a 5 seed in Spokane? That is literally a home game for them.

[TooLiveBrew]

PAC 10 is only sending one School... California

 

That's just incredible, but in talking to people I know that are Pac-10 fans, they are pretty forthright that this season is a really low one for the conference.

[homer]

Gonzaga is way overrated right now. I think UW would smoke them in a rematch.

[trwi7]

As a Badger fan, I like this bracket projection the best.

 

#3 seed in Milwaukee and the St. Louis region and just looking at the other teams in there, I think the Badgers are better than all the lower seeds and I think they matchup well with West Virginia and I think they could at the very least hang tough against Kansas.

[Fatter than Joey]

That's just incredible, but in talking to people I know that are Pac-10 fans, they are pretty forthright that this season is a really low one for the conference.

 

What's even more incredible is that CAL is a projected auto-bid and not an at-large team -- If not for the auto-bid, the P10 wouldn't be sending anyone. The highest projected seed for a P10 team is 11-12.... that's just bizarre.

[stalton]

I understand your point stalton, but just want to clarify. Gonzaga was on a neutral court.

 

My bad, I was going off Yahoo's schedule and forgot that game was in the tourney.

 

I hope Marquette gets a favorable seeding/make it to the big dance. They sure could use a break

[Oldcity]

Moving day in the Big 10. Illinois at Wisconsin, Purdue at Michigan St. I expect Wisconsin to handle Illinois at home. If Purdue can beat Michigan St. (anyone know if Lucas is playing?) then Wisconsin is tied for first.

[TooLiveBrew]

"We've got a lot of season left," said Izzo, whose team dropped from No. 5 to No. 10 in the Associated Press rankings. "The two losses disappoint me -- the last one does because I think it's a game we would have won, but I'm not far behind where I thought we'd be, and I definitely would not take a chance on Kalin Lucas for this game because we've got two to three weeks left of serious games."

 

Izzo said Lucas told him he'd play no matter how healthy his sprained ankle proved to be, but Izzo doesn't want to push his return if Lucas doesn't have the same quickness and cutting ability. Izzo doesn't want to risk further injury by bringing him back too soon.

 

"It is completely up in the air still," Izzo said. "I think he feels more like he's gonna be able to play some. He went through lay-ups yesterday and walked through a little bit of their stuff."

Link

 

It really doesn't sound like Lucas is all that close. If I had to bet on game by which he'd return, it'd be 2/21 v. OSU

[Oldcity]

Thanks TLB. Not that you like seeing star players out, but many Big Ten teams have lost a prominent player for a substantial period. If it helps Purdue win, I won't feel bad about it.

[Oldcity]

I get so frustrated when the Badgers end up settling for jumpers like this. 90% of their shots have been jumpers. Rob Wilson is the only one trying to get to the basket with regularity.

 

Demitri McCamey is good.

[trwi7]

What a horrible game by the Badgers.

[homer]

This is where they really miss Leuer - nights where they have a taller opponent and UW isn't hitting their threes.

 

Of course, that doesn't excuse the defense but still...

[Buckylovesbeer]

Agree with you guys.....ugly night for Bucky. Well I guess they were due for one. Get well Leuer!