Vernon Wells

[shtiny]

I was going through the salary structure of the team,and it seems to me that they could afford a contract like V. Wells and still stay below 60M. I am not sure what Weeks' contract number is for 2007, but according to:

mlbcontracts.blogspot.com...ewers.html

his number should be around 380K for 2007 (based upon 5.3/5 years)

 

Position&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp MILWAUKEE&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2007 Contract

C&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Johnny Estrada&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 3,000,000

1B&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Prince Fielder&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 360,000

2B&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Rickie Weeks&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 380,000

3B&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Corey Koskie&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 2,000,000

SS&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JJ Hardy &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 375,000

RF&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Corey Hart &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 360,000

CF&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Vernon Wells&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $17,000,000

LF&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Bill Hall &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 1,900,000

PH&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Jeff Cirillo &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 1,000,000

C&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Damion Miller&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 2,250,000

UTIL&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Craig Counsell&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 1,100,000

4th OF&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Gabe Gross&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 355,000

5th OF&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Brady Clark&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 3,800,000

SP1&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Ben Sheets&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $10,000,000

SP2&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Chris Capuano&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 1,750,000

SP3&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Dave Bush &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 375,000

SP4&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Claudio Vargas&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 1,750,000

SP5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Carlos Villanueva&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 345,000

CL&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Francisco Cordero&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 5,000,000

SU1&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Derrick Turnbow&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 2,300,000

SU2&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Greg Aquino&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 360,000

SU3&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Jose Capellan&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 360,000

RP&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Matt Wise &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 1,000,000

RP&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Dennis Sarfate&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 345,000

RP&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Brian Shouse&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $ 975,000

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp TOTAL &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp $58,440,000

 

Is there any way to package Jenkins and a couple prospects for Wells to make this happen??

[deeswan]

I think you might be low on a couple of the arby-eligible players, but it certainly looks like it could work. Having said that, I just don't think it's in a team's best interest to have almost 1/3 of their payroll tied up in one player. Extending Wells would most certainly take a Soriano-like contract, so Mark A. would be committing those kind of dollars for 7 or 8 years. Not a good move for a financially-challenged team, IMO.

[shtiny]

How does this team, as currently constructed get to a $60 M payroll??

[AJ Love]

Is Wells a bit overrated? Great years in '03 and '06, but he's a career .828 OPS guy (.899 last year, .783 in '05!)

 

I suppose his 3 straight Gold Gloves plus his HR power gives him great value, but $17 million, is that a bit of a stretch?

 

www.baseball-reference.co...ve01.shtml

[RyDogg66]

If he is a career .828 OPS guy then he should be paid right along the lines of other career .830 guys, namely Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee. The Market is crazy. Apparantly 40 OPS points make a guy go from making peanuts to 15+ million a year.

[TauPentaRei]

more creative financing is needed.

 

i noticed that Soriano's 2007 contract is $9M. that certainly is in the Milwaukee wheelhouse. throw in a massive signing bonus from one Mark A. day-trading session and

 

so what if the last five years are $18M? swing for the fences for 2 years, draw 40,000 for 81 games, go swimming in your money and trade him away, hoping you caught lightning in a bottle.

[Ennder]

He's a younger better fielding version of Soriano/Lee. I'd have no big problem with taking a chance on him.

[AJ Love]

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If he is a career .828 OPS guy then he should be paid right along the lines of other career .830 guys, namely Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee.

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I hear you, although at least Lee had a .890 OPS 4 out of the last 5 years, and Soriano has hit 82 HR's in the last 2 years. Of course, Wells is a Gold Glover and Lee looks like he's dodging hand grenades on defense.

[endaround]

If Toronto trades Wells they will at least want a decent contributing player right now. Meaning trading Davis already probably makes this a no go.

[billyhallfan]

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2B Rickie Weeks $ 380,000

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PLAYER SALARY (US$)

1. Ben Sheets 9,625,000

2. Geoff Jenkins 7,833,333

3. Francisco Cordero 4,125,000

4. Damian Miller 3,250,000

5. Brady Clark 3,100,000

6. Kevin Mench 2,800,000

7. Johnny Estrada 2,000,000

8. Claudio Vargas 1,275,000

9. Rickie Weeks 1,220,000

10. Brian Shouse 725,000

11. Derrick Turnbow 658,667

12. Matt Wise 650,000

13. Chris Capuano 450,000

14. Bill Hall 418,000

15. J.J. Hardy 355,000

16. Dave Bush 352,000

17. Laynce Nix 345,260

18. Greg Aquino 342,000

19. Grant Balfour 340,000

20. Gabe Gross 335,000

21. Jose Capellan 330,000

22. Prince Fielder 329,500

23. Corey Hart 329,500

Total Team Salary: 50,540,000

 

 

Weeks gets paid a whole lot more on this list, who knows which one is right.

 

 

This list is from ESPN.com

[billyhallfan]

Oh no I see, maybe the arbitration isn't factored in on ESPN.

[RyDogg66]

Weeks isnt arby eligible, it may reflect his rookie contract. I think he got a couple million over a few years.

[endaround]

Weeks got a bump up to 550K per season. Some places factor in signing bonuses over the life of the contract, some put in the first year and some just ignore it.

[shtiny]

the salaries I have are for 2007. The ESPN salaries are for 2006

[endaround]

Weeks isn't making the minimum, he signed for 500k a year. Check the Brewerfan salary page for the best numbers.

[Crewin06]

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I hear you, although at least Lee had a .890 OPS 4 out of the last 5 years, and Soriano has hit 82 HR's in the last 2 years. Of course, Wells is a Gold Glover and Lee looks like he's dodging hand grenades on defense.

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What?

 

Lee's OPS #''s

 

2006- .895

2005- .811

2004- .891

2003- .830

2002- .843

2001- .789

sports.espn.go.com/mlb/pl...yerId=4000

 

You meant to say that Carlos Lee had an OPS above .890 in 2 out of the last 5 years correct?

[AJ Love]

OK, I take it back, if Counsell is worth $3 million per, than Vernon Wells is worth every penny of $17 million per...

[TauPentaRei]

and with the Cubs paying Alfonso $9M for 2007... Counsell should rack up at least 20 dingers and swipes.

 

$3M less to blow on VW

[AJ Love]

Crewin06, yes I was mistaken about Lee's OPS numbers

[AJ Love]

Here's a relatively interesting article about Wells

 

www.ottawasun.com/Sports/...0-sun.html

[shtiny]

"Vernon Wells, who will be eligible for free agency for the first time next winter, has been omitted from the Blue Jays' 2007 ticket advertisements."

 

 

Looks like he will be traded. What is the asking price?

[aracko]

Bill Hall and Brady Clark for Vernon Wells and Dustin McGowan. Just one mans opinion.

[pogokat]

why would you trade our best player, who we have signed for 3 years, for a guy that isn't noticeably better and is about to be a free agent?

[RyDogg66]

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why would you trade our best player, who we have signed for 3 years, for a guy that isn't noticeably better and is about to be a free agent?

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Because it's November 30, people have nothing better to talk about and love making trades just for the sake of making trades?

 

That is the only logical explanation I can think of.

 

Wells might not even be as good as Hall in 2007...and he surely will not be a Brewer in 2008 or 2009 - but apparantly that isn't important.

[brewerfan82]

I'd love to get McGowan included in any Vernon Wells deal. That at least ensures we get something valuable past this year.

 

However, as Pogo points out, I wouldn't do it at the cost of Hall.

 

Obviously, TOR desperately needs a shortstop since they signed Clayton to be their starter...barf! I think Hardy's got more value than most of us think, so I'd start off a deal like this:

 

To Milwaukee:

• OF Vernon Wells
• SP Dustin McGowan

To Toronto:

• SS JJ Hardy
• OF Kevin Mench/Brady Clark/Geoff Jenkins (their choice)
• RP Derrick Turnbow/Matt Wise (their choice)
• OF Tony Gwynn Jr./Laynce Nix (their choice)
• And maybe throw in Hendrickson if they want him

 

It might not take that much, but that's about as much as I'd be willing to sacrifice. In that scenario, we'd still be left with a couple chips to upgrade our bullpen further.