Interest in Dave Roberts?

[sbrylski]

I trust Doug Melvin, if a little guy is the best available option, then he is.

 

This is a good point.

 

I'd like to retract "extremely questionable" from my earlier post and replace it with "somewhat dissapointing".

[pogokat]

I like Dave Roberts a whole lot and I think he would fit the team very well... he gets on base pretty well and he's one of the top 5 basestealers in baseball..

 

If the brewers can get him for 3 years at 12 million, it'll be a great signing...16 is a little excessive i think..

 

what about bring scotty po back on a one year deal if the crew cant get any of these other guys?

[yfinn6]

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he's one of the top 5 basestealers in baseball..

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This question isn't necessarily directed at you Pogo, but at mainly anyone.

 

How come we value stolen bases more for one guy than for another? I've seen Roberts name mentioned and the fact that he's stolen bases at a pretty good clip in the past, and then when Pierre's name is mentioned with stolen bases it's always shot down with "I'd rather have a leadoff hitter who can hit for a little power, as a double is more valuable than a single and a stolen base."

 

Maybe it's because Pierre was thrown out 20 times last year, but in the past hasn't he always been a pretty darn good base stealer? His success rate probably isn't as high as Roberts, maybe that's why Roberts is valued a bit more as a base stealer around here.

 

Roberts might be the overall better player, but if you look at their career stats, Roberts and Pierre have had pretty similar careers. As a matter of fact, Pierre leads in OPS, OBP, SLG, AVG.

 

This is kind of hijacking the thread, but I just wanted to throw that out there merely for more discussion on why Roberts seems to be more favored than Pierre. Personally I don't really care, neither of these two really knock my socks off if they were to be our "big signing".

[DuWayne Steurer]

I'm not at all excited about having Roberts, but I'd rather have thim than Pierre, if I was forced to choose.

 

Pierre has better range, but Roberts is a better "fielder", and he can't help but have a better arm.

 

And he has the extra addes bonus in that he's willing to take a walk to get on base. Roberts' OBP the last 2 years is .356 and .360.

 

 

He still presents the same issues as Pierre in the power department, mainly that you'll get none at all.

[pogokat]

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Maybe it's because Pierre was thrown out 20 times last year, but in the past hasn't he always been a pretty darn good base stealer? His success rate probably isn't as high as Roberts, maybe that's why Roberts is valued a bit more as a base stealer around here.

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and you nailed it...Roberts steals them with great efficiency, Pierre does not...thats a big deal..

[thefutureishere2006]

but, did pierre steal unsuccesfully because of some coaching..i know the cubs coaching staff is brilliant but..http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PeaveyFury]

I'm actually warming to the Roberts idea as well. Ideally I'd like to see Brady traded if we sign him, though.

 

The one truly worrisome thing about Roberts is that he's 34, though. Otherwise, his stats have been pretty good, especially considering that most of his career has been spent in Dodger Stadium and Petco.

 

That said, I'd still hope we can acquire a serious power corner OF as well.

[Gone]

That said, I'd still hope we can acquire a serious power corner OF as well.

 

What is Billy Hall? Sure seems to me that he's destined to be an outfielder this year.

[PeaveyFury]

What is Billy Hall?

 

Our shortstop or 3rd baseman, I hope.

[RobertR]

I'm kind of lukewarm towards Roberts. He's a solid player, but I'd much rather add a power hitter.

 

Honestly, part of me would rather have the Brewers do something radical, like sign Ray Durham and move Weeks to CF, than go the safe but underwhelming route of a guy like Roberts.

 

Robert

[mothershipconnection]

How come we value stolen bases more for one guy than for another? I've seen Roberts name mentioned and the fact that he's stolen bases at a pretty good clip in the past, and then when Pierre's name is mentioned with stolen bases it's always shot down with "I'd rather have a leadoff hitter who can hit for a little power, as a double is more valuable than a single and a stolen base.

A lot of it has to do with the success rate of stolen base attempts. Roberts recently has done that better than Pierre. Also, Pierre has had pretty dismal on-base numbers over the past few years. His career OBP is acceptable, but he hasn't been where he used to be lately. Additionally, Pierre's D is pretty crappy. Finally, and this is the big thing, Pierre is more likely to be pid 50% more than he's objectively worth by a dumb GM impressed by reputation over results while Roberts could potentially be paid a fair amount because many consider him underrated.

[Blazer25]

Roberts definitely fits the "Gritty Battler" type guy that Nedly likes.

 

For me it?s an unspectacular signing. Not likely to take us to the playoffs but not likely to hurt us in the long run if the money is right.

[Ennder]

Pierre is likely to cost more. Pierre's OBP is likely to be much worse. FLA and COL are both good parks for hitting for AVG and as soon as Pierre left them his plummetted. Roberts generally is a better basestealer as well. I just think Roberts is as good or better of a player than Pierre and will ask for less money.

 

Do I want Roberts on the team, dunno, depends on what we can do with Jenkins and whether or not we are going to waste Hall at LF.

[colbyjack]

I haven't seen this mentioned in relationship to Roberts (and if it was, I apologize in advance), but it just occurred to me to look up his FA classification. He's a Type A FA, meaning he would cost the Brewers' their 2nd round pick in next year's draft. Not that it would prevent me from signing the guy, but since some have tossed his name out as a possible platoon CF with Clark, that makes his price even more steep.

 

Of course the Brewers may end up with a comp pick or two of their own, so it may be a wash. Plus, I'm sure if the Brewers are considering him they are considering him to be their everyday CF and not a platoon partner with Clark.

 

I'm actually glad it wasn't mentioned, as the focus is clearly on next year's big-league team with increased expectations.

[dadofandrew]

I doubt if they'd tell Roberts he'd be platooning, as it may hurt their chances. Alos, no one knows if Clark will be around in '07.

 

That said, it'd be mighty tough not giving the older Roberts a "day off" versus many LHP's with a lefty masher like Brady on the bench.

[splitterpfj]

Hey stat guys....somebody run some numbers for me...

 

What are some realistic projections for the Brewers if they sign Roberts or Pierre?

 

C Miller

1B Fielder

2B Weeks

3B Koskie

SS Hardy

LF Hall

CF either of the two

RF Hart

 

There's not a terrible player in that mix, but SO many maybes. The only guy truly in his prime is Hall, and I would say Pierre if he's the one we get. It could collapse, but it does have some potential.

 

Show me some numbers, what could realistically be expected from that group?

[pogokat]

.280/.350/.400 with 45/52 sb's for roberts

.290/.325/.365 with 55/73 steals for pierre..

 

these guys play pretty park independent and have been relatively consistant over the past two years, so i expect them to play very close to their careers...roberts has been trending up the last three years with pierre flatlining, but roberts is old, so its not likely he's getting much better...

 

i think they'll be very similar in Batting average and total bases stolen, but Roberts will be better in every other way...

 

Roberts has never had 500 ab's in a season...we really need to remember that when talking money and playing time...he misses time with injuries every year...so the only way the brewers should be considering this guy is as someone that will miss 1/6th of the season at a minimum...

[Nader Raider Tim]

ColbyJack that is a great point about the compensatory pick. I may like Roberts a little bit but, not a 5+ mill and giving up a 2nd round pick.

[molitor fan]

Tracy Ringolsby (a hack, but sometimes in the know) writes in his column today that the Brewers are expected to sign Dave Roberts......

 

www.rockymountainnews.com...98,00.html

[aracko]

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Tracy Ringolsby (a hack, but sometimes in the know) writes in his column today that the Brewers are expected to sign Dave Roberts......

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He also mentions that the Rockies might Pursue Brady Clark for CF.

[pogokat]

That would be a fair trade...if the rockies would take Clark's salary, then Roberts becomes more palatable...

 

it appears the brewers intend to enter 2007 with a completely new outfield over what we've seen in the past couple of years...

[TooLiveBrew]

And hooray for the overhaul! The team is finally able to build around its successful scouting and drafting of Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Hart, Hall --- this is a dream starting to come true!

 

I'm all for Roberts, but wonder why this guy in the Rocky Mtn. News is the only one talking about the Brewers being "expected" to sign Roberts. I hope he's right, but that's the first and only time I've heard that

[bucksman4]

Probably because when the season ends, Haudricourt goes into hibernation and forgets the Brewers exist. That is why we have to read this "insider info" from publications halfway across the US.

[colbyjack]

Keep in mind, Tracy Ringolsby said that compensation picks would be done away with completely a few days before the new CBA was announced, so he's far from a reliable source. He probably is reading the same things we are, and just came to the conlusion somehow that Roberts is heading to Milwaukee.

[AJAY]

Denverpost.com is reporting that Roberts is seeking $15 million over three years. This sounds consistent with the predictions made by Rotoworld (16 million over 3 years)