Manny Ramirez in Miller Park 81 games a year?

[MessiahRp]

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If we lose CoCo our bullpen implodes, far worse than what it did last year.

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I agree. Which is why I figured if Boston is looking for help at the other positions, Turnbow might be appealing in that they are covering so many needs in one trade.

 

As for keeping Hall at SS I have no problem with that except I think Graffy, with a full season, would be quite productive as an everyday player (he was for Boston just a year ago) and we can minimize any struggles from the bats of Clark/Hart/Gross to one position rather than two. I think Hart's a starting caliber player myself, but time will tell.

 

Rp

[7rebmun]

Bonds breaking the all-time HR record set by Hank Aaron - ripe with scandal - and being paid by the Brewers?

 

I think not.

[Team Canada]

I'm having fun imagining Derrick blowing a couple saves in Boston. If he completely lost it here, there's no way he'd survive there.

[GenoSeligPrieb]

"Go after Bonds first. He'll be just as good at a lower cost with no need to trade anything. "

 

First of all, Bonds will NOT be just as good as Manny Ramirez. In the same number of games played, Manny had 9 more HRs, 25 more RBIs, hit 51 points higher, and had a better OPS than Bonds by 59 points. In 2005, Bonds only was able to play 14 games.

 

Secondly, at this stage of his career, with his steroids-ravaged joints and knees, Bonds may have to be rested 40, 50, 60 games or more. And even if he does play, he may still be facing a suspension or jail time, if crossing my fingers helps.

 

Third, who says Bonds will cost less? in 2006, Bonds got $20,000,000, while Manny got $18.27 million. Besides, in a year where he's looking to cash in as a free agent to hit HR # 756 in a new team's uniform, he won't settle for less, much less from Milwaukee.

 

And as for the team we cheer for, I'd rather trade for Ramirez than sign a criminal like Bonds.

 

But realistically, Doug can't even enter negotiations about either of these guys, so it's a moot discussion.

[mothershipconnection]

How much is Manny worth now? Seriously, dude is owed an average of $18.5M over the next two years with two more $20M options after that. The max value is thus $77M over 4 years.

You can get a player WAY better than Soriano for a half million more and for 6 years less or less than a million more than Lee and 4 years less. I'd gladly give up that half million or so and a top prospect if I had to choose between that and signing Soriano or Lee.

Plus, if the market continues to spiral out of control, you have those two option years, which suddenly seem to be below market value.

[splitterpfj]

Mr Gammons says Seattle has been talking with Boston about Manny today, no details.

[brewcrew44]

I agree with Messiah on everything. Can you even imagine what Manny could do to help the Brewers? I know that its kinda unrealistic but you never know it could happen. This would make the Brewers a contender and would definitely send out the message to the fans of "We're trying to win" This would greatly stregthen our lineup and would bring MIlwaukee some publicity and fill Miller Park up. Come on Dougie. Just give us one big trade.

[brewcrew44]

? The Red Sox talked to the Brewers regarding right-handed reliever Derrick Turnbow. Turnbow converted 24 of 32 save opportunities in 2006 and was 4-9 with a 6.87 ERA. Turnbow, who turns 29 in January, has two years remaining on the three-year contract he signed last winter, which will pay him $2.3 million in 2007 and $3.2 million in 2008.

 

This is from brewers.com winter meeting aritcle. Since they definitely are interested im started to think this could actually work with Manny if we throw in the neccesary ingredients (outfield, short, backup catcher) and cough up the dough to him.

[GAME05]

Thing is, for the kind of money that we'd be paying Manny, we should be able to demand the perfect player, but Manny's got his defensive and personality deficiencies. If we're talking trade for a big-time player, I'd sure rather have someone like ARod, who's really not missing anything. I'll worry about his inability in the playoffs when we get there. Plus we'd get to watch him break the HR record in Milwaukee. It's a dream, I know, but at least a good dream.

[thefutureishere2006]

ok..then bring in jenks to play left late in games for man ram...... and other wise platoon him and hart.

[GAME05]

but should we really have to keep a platoon player around to be a defensive sub for a guy who would make near $20 million?

[cooprules]

This from a post on SOSH.

 

Gordon Edes on Red Sox Hot stove on NESN just said there are rumors about a 3 way with the Giants and Nationals (blech!) on a Manny trade with Chad Cordero heading to Boston.

 

 

Part of this thread.

[brettac1]

The Nats definitely have the money to pay him, but that's a huge OF for him to attempt to cover.

[DHonks]

but should we really have to keep a platoon player around to be a defensive sub for a guy who would make near $20 million?

 

the defensive replacement would be Clark, Gwynn, Gross, or Nix, not Jenkins.

 

I don't think you'd use it much, because you would hate to have a game when you pull him out, then it becomes a close game again. Making that much, you'd want to maximize his at bats in every way possible

[thefutureishere2006]

good point a cheaper alternative as a defensive replacement would be necessary.

[mothershipconnection]

Thing is, for the kind of money that we'd be paying Manny, we should be able to demand the perfect player, but Manny's got his defensive and personality deficiencies. If we're talking trade for a big-time player, I'd sure rather have someone like ARod, who's really not missing anything.

You could get a good financial deal through the trade route, but there is NOBODY, dollar-for-dollar, that has signed this year that's the value Ramirez is. He's barely paid more than Soriano or Lee, and signed for a shorter time period while being a far better hitter than either can dream of being.

I also take A-Rod, because I'm pretty sure he'd still play a superb SS, which makes him more valuable.