JJ Hardy optioned to AAA- Latest: Per McCalvy, JJ will be left at AAA and add another year before free agency

[jhart05]

"Greatly reduces Hardy's trade value."

 

And keeping him up here, allowing him to continue to stink it up at the plate, somehow will increase his already low value?

 

 

Why not bring up Escobar, let him get his feet wet playing everyday, so he can get some experience under his belt, when his is the opening day starting shortstop in 2010.

[Mass Haas]

If there's no trade, then this could have huge implications for J.J. Hardy.

 

This is the first time he's ever been optioned. He was added to the 40-man roster just before the 2005 season.

 

So he will not have the necessary big league service time (six years) in order to become a free agent after the 2010 season.

 

Amazingly, he may have to wait until after 2011 now before becoming a free agent.

[Never Outhustled]

Clueless, senseless move. Why call up Escobar? He just hasn't hit well in AAA. How does a 770ish OPS get to the majors? Just let Counsel play SS until Escobar EARNS a spot in the majors.

 

Melvin is making the same mistake with Ecsobar he made with Hardy.

 

 

No wonder why Gamel is slumping in AAA. he's realized a poor OPS gets you to the majors, like it has for Escobar and Bourgeois, while Adam heether is still stuck in AAA and Gamel didn't get to play when he got called up.

[JoeHova]

And keeping him up here, allowing him to continue to stink it up at the plate, somehow will increase his already low value?

No, but it at least meant that on th off chance he got hot, those numbers would help his MLB stats. This does nothing but hurt JJ's trade value, imo. It's one thing to trade for a former All-Star SS who is coming off a down year, it's another to trade for a guy who is so awful that he got demoted.

[Bruce Ciskie]

How would it help Hardy's trade value to have him stumble through another .220 month?

 

It's about time. Hall and Hardy are big reasons why this offense refuses to totally come around, and it's time to see what Escobar can do. On the bright side, there should be no pressure.

[wibadgers23]

Holy crap. I can't keep up with all these threads. JJ has to be steaming mad right now to be sent down to AAA, unless there is a trade in the works that we don't know about. We'll see what happens. Wow, what a crazy morning.

[Invader3K]

The other point being ignored is that Hardy's defense has been somewhat shakey lately, too. I'm excited to see if the hype around Escobar's glove bears out.

[davemakovec]

I don't think it'll affect his trade value all that much - seriously, among MLB SS's, espn.com has him at 18th in OBP, 16th in SLG, 18th in OPS - that's pretty close to dead last among regulars. Unless people look at previous years (which they will), his trade value couldn't go much lower. His OPS ranks behind such world-beaters as Adam Everett, Brendan Ryan, and Jack Wilson.

 

It's also not like he's Adam Everett with the glove.

 

If they were gonna dump him, it's either right now (announcement pending), or prior to the season.

[nate82]

JJ has to be steaming mad right now to be sent down to AAA, unless there is a trade in the works that we don't know about.

Well if JJ is steaming mad right now he better look at the mirror to see who he should be mad at. When you are batting as good as Hall is and worse than Kendall you should expect a move like this.

[yoyo49]

Per Cot's: A player with 3 years of Major League service may refuse an outright assignment and choose to become a free agent immediately or at the end of the season.

 

 

When does JJ have to decide this?

[1e Corbeau]

If there's no trade, then this could have huge implications for J.J. Hardy.

 

This is the first time he's ever been optioned. He was added to the 40-man roster just before the 2005 season.

 

So he will not have the necessary big league service time (six years) in order to become a free agent after the 2010 season.

 

Amazingly, he may have to wait until after 2011 now before becoming a free agent.

And everyone who declares this Melvin's dumbest move, how does an extra pre-FA year on Hardy not increase his trade value, regardless of is he's hitting terribly up in MLB or well in AAA? This, coupled with not affecting Escobar's arby/service time status, makes this move incredibly shrewd.

 

As others' have expressed, hopefully Macha plats Esky everyday, rather than a Counsell/Lopez/Hall platoon...

[WisconsinSportsRule]

Holy crap. I can't keep up with all these threads. JJ has to be steaming mad right now to be sent down to AAA, unless there is a trade in the works that we don't know about. We'll see what happens. Wow, what a crazy morning.

 

If there's a reason he should be mad, it should be because he's batting .220

[nate82]

As others' have expressed, hopefully Macha plats Esky everyday, rather than a Counsell/Lopez/Hall platoon...

Lopez can't play SS with his bad hamstring, Counsell will get some starts against righties, and Hall has been DFA'd.

[wibadgers23]

nate82[/b]]Well if JJ is steaming mad right now he better look at the mirror to see who he should be mad at. When you are batting as good as Hall is and worse than Kendall you should expect a move like this.

Exactly Nate. I'm not disagreeing with the move, just saying Hardy must be really pissed right now, regardless if he deserves to be sent down or not.

[jjfanec]

As others' have expressed, hopefully Macha plats Esky everyday, rather than a Counsell/Lopez/Hall platoon...

Well it definitely wont be a Hall platoon since he got DFA'ed. Lopez is still your 2B and Magehee is at 3B making Counsell a super sub at all three positions.

[joepepsi]

That he's been traded is the only way this move makes sense. If a verbal agreement on a trade has been reached, then the other team will not want Hardy in the lineup tonight. Instead of sitting him on the bench, Doug can make the Escobar move right away. Hardy will probably soon be on a plane to somewhere for a physical and never step down in AAA.

[Yeti73]

So he will not have the necessary big league service time (six years) in order to become a free agent after the 2010 season.

 

Amazingly, he may have to wait until after 2011 now before becoming a free agent.

Is this true? If so, that increases his trade value in the off-season one would think. I'm fine with the move because we're going nowhere right now and might as well see what next year has to offer. I'd love to see Salome up too.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

If Mass is right, this would greatly increase his trade value.

[jwaltz]

Per Cot's: A player with 3 years of Major League service may refuse an outright assignment and choose to become a free agent immediately or at the end of the season.


When does JJ have to decide this?

 

He was optioned not outrighted so this rule doesn't apply.

[Never Outhustled]

This, coupled with not affecting Escobar's arby/service time status, makes this move incredibly shrewd.

This does too affect Escobar's service time big time. He should be in the minors until he proves he can hit. He should be called up mid season next year at the earliest. Calling him up now makes him a FA a year sooner, the same blunder Melvin made with Hardy.

 

Melvin has proven he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Time to find a new GM.

[thevaccinator27]

Per Cot's: A player with 3 years of Major League service may refuse an outright assignment and choose to become a free agent immediately or at the end of the season.

 

 

He wasn't outrighted -- he was optioned.

[Diskono]

Per Cot's: A player with 3 years of Major League service may refuse an outright assignment and choose to become a free agent immediately or at the end of the season.

 

 

When does JJ have to decide this?

He was optioned, not outrighted.

 

edit: jinx

[endaround]

This, coupled with not affecting Escobar's arby/service time status, makes this move incredibly shrewd.

This does too affect Escobar's service time big time. He should be in the minors until he proves he can hit. He should be called up mid season next year at the earliest. Calling him up now makes him a FA a year sooner, the same blunder Melvin made with Hardy.

 

Melvin has proven he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Time to find a new GM.

 

Unless of course Melvin is now fixing his mistake. Hardy to AAA for one month buying a year of service time. It also measn he doesn't need to be traded and Escobar can spend 1/2 a year to a full year in AAA next season. I doubt this is what is happening though. But if the market for Hardy has dried up it could be.

[yoyo49]

Thanks guys. Is that because this is the first time in JJ's career he has been sent down or is there another distinction between the outright and the option?

[SZBrewerFan]

Just a question...could the outrighting of Hall and JJ's rumored trade be one in the same move wise. Possible the Brewers sending the two of them for a pitcher with a bigger contract?