any thought on this Trade that didn't happen

[brewmann04]

Read a report that Melvin had a deal with 20 Mins left before the deadline.
Any one know what players would have been Involved.

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[Team Canada]

In English? With context?

[trwi7]

I'm guessing he's talking about this. Sounds like there were two moves that were close, but didn't happen.

[brewmann04]

yes TRWI anyone know what players were being talked about?

[HOF4canrake]

Milwaukee was the third team in the original talks about Boston and Cleveland being involved in a three-team trade...Obviously, the Indians and Sox found something that worked without needing the 3rd squad.

[pnanda]

I believe it was for Clay Buchholz and the Brewers were going to send out Escobar or Gamel to Cleveland. VM to Boston.

[PeaveyFury]

Bobskube said that the Brewers were bidding hard on Peavy until the trade with the White Sox was finalized, but couldn't offer the young pitching that the White Sox could in the end (as mentioned in the article linked above as well):

 

http://forum.brewerfan.net/viewtopic.php?t=19928?page=1

 

(About halfway down the page)

 

No clue on the three-team deal for a guy that wasn't moved. If we're talking big name pitchers that weren't moved but possibly could have been, who in the world would fit that bill? Haren?

[barbados73]

My gut feeling is that the Brewers were one of the teams going hard after King Felix. Supposedly the Mariners were talking about King Felix with a few teams and he would make sense for the Brewers. He wouldn't of been a rental player, he is young enough form a nice duo with Yo, and he is also a top of the rotation SP.

[dpapo]

According to that blog, here are some of the clues:

1. The Brewers were so close to completing what general manager Doug Melvin called a "big," three-team trade for a pitcher..."

2. The deal fizzled, and the pitcher in question wasn't traded...

3. Melvin did assure reporters that the pitcher in question wasn't Toronto's Roy Halladay

4. Melvin also showed interest as recently as Thursday in Royals right-hander Brian Bannister, but Kansas City held onto him. He called on D-backs left-hander Doug Davis and, to a lesser degree, Jon Garland, both of whom stayed put.

5. "I didn't think on Washburn we were ever close," Melvin said. But Melvin was near to completing, "a much bigger deal," that was so close to happening that within a half hour of the 3 p.m. CT deadline to deal players without first exposing them to waivers, Melvin had principal owner Mark Attanasio waiting near a phone, ready to approve a deal.

6. "It just didn't happen," Melvin said. "Both of them revolved around what another team was doing. Those are always tough."

7. Macha would only reveal that it was not a pitcher who would have been available to start for the Brewers on Saturday.

8. One of them was Atlanta right-hander Javier Vazquez, who had just pitched on Thursday, but a National League scout offered assurances that the Brewers and Braves weren't talking about Vazquez on Friday.

9. In response to some of the fan complaints on message boards and talk radio, Melvin said, ""Had we made a deal involving some of the players we talked about, I'm pretty sure they would have been disappointed, too. ..."

 

Okay, there are the clues. It would have been for a pitcher that was not traded, but would not have been able to start on Saturday. That means someone who made a start sometime in the past few days.

It wasn't Roy Halladay or Javier Vazquez. Also probably not Bannister, Davis or Garland as Melvin started that it was a much bigger deal than Washburn. He could have meant that in terms or a 3 way trade, but I took that also to mean someone bigger than Washburn.

It would have been part of a 3 way trade.

 

So, what pitchers could those descriptions have fit.

[thablingster]

I'm going to guess it was Scott Kazmir. The Rays had interest in Victor Martinez, but there was some question as to whether they would need to clear salary in order to do it. I posted an article in the Martinez thread that at first had ESPN saying the Rays would need to move salary, later they updated it to the Rays saying they wouldn't need to.

 

Based on Kazmir's expected salaries (2009: $6M, 2010: $8M, 2011: $12M, 2012: $13.5M club option [$2.5M buyout] plus a $0.8M bonus if traded [for first trade only]), Mark A. would have probably wanted to approve that. Kazmir last started on Tuesday so his normal day would be Sunday, although he is starting on Monday since the Rays had a day off on Thursday. That would have been a good fit for the Brewers, who could have slid Villanueva/Dillard to Saturday.

 

Once the Indians decided they were going to take what Boston offered Tampa probably no longer felt compelled to move Kazmir and the Brewers moved on to Peavy.

[PeaveyFury]

Kazmir is a really, really good guess.

[TheCrew07]

I know he hasn't had a good year and some are claiming he's done, but I still like the guy. That is an excellent guess, and makes perfect sense given how things went down, I wonder who we would have to give up? Based on Melvin's comments saying the fans wouldn't have liked the deal I would think it would have been someone on the MLB roster, how many fans care about prospects? Maybe he just meant Kazmir would have been viewed as a declining player?

 

I would have much rather acquired Kazmir than Peavy, I wasn't depressed at all about the trading deadline till this "almost" trade became public. What could have been...

[PrimeTime955]

I know he hasn't had a good year and some are claiming he's done, but I still like the guy. That is an excellent guess, and makes perfect sense given how things went down, I wonder who we would have to give up? Based on Melvin's comments saying the fans wouldn't have liked the deal I would think it would have been someone on the MLB roster, how many fans care about prospects? Maybe he just meant Kazmir would have been viewed as a declining player?

 

I would have much rather acquired Kazmir than Peavy, I wasn't depressed at all about the trading deadline till this "almost" trade became public. What could have been...

I'm fairly certain over 90% of Brewer fans know, and care about Mat Gamel and Alcides Escobar. I would assume he was talking about giving up one, or both of them and upsetting fans.

[Hate those Rodents]

It's not the end of the world to finish over .500 this year and not make the playoffs. I don't mean to sound complacent because I am not. But we're not the Yankees. We're not going to make the playoffs every year. Smart move not dealing our top prospects. Maybe I am in the minority, but life will go on when Prince leaves. The window to make the playoffs, provided we don't trade the Gamels/Escobars/Lawries, will always be there provided Doug doesn't panic and makes sound decisions. Errors, he has made, but he did not panic at the deadline and this will pay off in the near future.

[PrinceEatMeat]

We also have to hope that the pitchers we have drafted in the last few years develop into good prospects. That way, we will be able to make moves for front-line pitching at the deadline in future seasons. I think if the prospects that we didn't give up this year can develop, there's no reason to think that we can't compete in the coming years. I'm disappointed that Doug didn't make a move, but not upset in any means. It will just be frustrating to watch for awhile. But I watched a lot worse teams play up until last year, so I'm used to it. Everyone just seemed to get spoiled by last year, and don't realize how many bad losing seasons we have had. A few years ago, finishing above .500 was a big deal. If we finish above .500 this season, it's still a decent year.

[dadofandrew]

Nowhere near 90% of fans know Escobar and Gamel...I'd say 20-25% is closer.

[BrewCrewForever]

I would have liked to see Clay Buchholz come to Milwaukee if they were involved with Boston and Cleveland. That would have made me pretty happy.

[TooLiveBrew]

Nowhere near 90% of fans know Escobar and Gamel...I'd say 20-25% is closer.

 

I'm pretty sure that 100% who watched the team earlier this season know who Gamel is.

 

 

 

6. "It just didn't happen," Melvin said. "Both of them revolved around what another team was doing. Those are always tough."

 

That must be so frustrating as a GM.

[GB12]

Nowhere near 90% of fans know Escobar and Gamel...I'd say 20-25% is closer.

 

I'm pretty sure that 100% who watched the team earlier this season know who Gamel is.

No way. You are vastly over estimating the fans.

 

100% of fans like us know who Gamel is, but of all fans it's probably around I'd say 65% know who Gamel is and far less for Escobar.

[dadofandrew]

At a game earlier this year, someone asked who Todd Coffey was, and their companion told them the Brewers got him over the winter when they traded away Sheets. The first person paused, and then said, "I thought we got McGehee (which they pronounced Mac-gee-hee) for Sheets".

 

They took their seats in the 4th, and left in the 7th.

[sveumrules]

At a game earlier this year, someone asked who Todd Coffey was, and their companion told them the Brewers got him over the winter when they traded away Sheets. The first person paused, and then said, "I thought we got McGehee (which they pronounced Mac-gee-hee) for Sheets".

 

They took their seats in the 4th, and left in the 7th.

 

pull over, sir. it's the small sample police.

 

i'm most disappointed the royals "weren't motivated" to move bannister, myself. we probably could have gotten him without moving any of the BIG three and he'd be under team control/relatively cheap for a few more years.

[rousieboy]

dadofandrew wrote:

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At a game earlier this year, someone asked who Todd Coffey was, and their companion told them the Brewers got him over the winter when they traded away Sheets. The first person paused, and then said, "I thought we got McGehee (which they pronounced Mac-gee-hee) for Sheets".

 

They took their seats in the 4th, and left in the 7th.

If they took their seats in the 4th and left in the 7th then we are not talking about fanatics. Fanatics know where Gamel when to school and from which country AEscobar hails.

[jvrocksaz]

Who is this Escobar Gamel player? What position does he play?

(juuuuuussssst kidddding!)

[jvrocksaz]

It's not the end of the world to finish over .500 this year and not make the playoffs. I don't mean to sound complacent because I am not. But we're not the Yankees. We're not going to make the playoffs every year. Smart move not dealing our top prospects. Maybe I am in the minority, but life will go on when Prince leaves. The window to make the playoffs, provided we don't trade the Gamels/Escobars/Lawries, will always be there provided Doug doesn't panic and makes sound decisions. Errors, he has made, but he did not panic at the deadline and this will pay off in the near future.

To be honest I would almost rather see the Brewers finish under .500 and have a draft position on the top half of the round (if we don't make the playoffs). This is just in case (a small one at that) we go after and get a "type A" free agent pitcher... Probably a better chance of DM going after one this off season if he doesn't have to give up a 1st round pick...

[The Truth]

I think Melvin's comment of "some fans would have been disappointed" is in reference to JJ Hardy. I can't wait till the Brewers trade Mr "I won't switch positions", super slow running, inconsistent hitting, limited range Hardy,. (Yes I understand alot of Brewers fans love him). I hope he has a phenomenal final 2 months of the season to up his trade value. My fear is he once again gets hurt and we only get a #4 or #5 pitcher for him