August 31

[dadofandrew]

Haret's played there, and he'd be ok, but quite a step down from Cameron...though that might be the case regardless.

[craigharmann]

Haret's

If Hart and Gerut get platooned, we can call the name the platoon Harut.

[Baldkin]

Hart has the speed to play CF, but his ability to judge flyballs is just horrible.

 

Watch Cam for a game or two, and watch how he reacts almost before the ball is hit. Then watch Hart... and how he waits about 3 seconds before taking his first step.

 

He could play it, but he'd be at best, as good as Bill Hall was out there, IMO.

[ryanbraun75]

i hope the brewers can bring back Cameron but idk if they'll be able to pull it off.. If not i'd really like to see Cain or maybe even a guy like Logan Schafer step up and take it from Gerut.. But idk we'll see.. Another scenario is to move Hart to center then put Katin out in right field. He has the best arm in the brewers system according to baseball america. And as far as i'm concerned i think he could put up the same offensive numbers besides the steals that Cameron could. I have no doubt that he could hit .240 or so and thats an average season for Cameron and hit at least 20 hrs. I'm a really big fan of Katin and a big reason is because of his BA's with RISP. He might not get on base much but a lineup like this next year:

 

Escobar

Gamel

Braun

Fielder

Hart

Weeks

Katin

Salome

 

Would make me really happy and Katin wouldn't need to get on base a ton he can just drive in runs which he is very good at.

[jwill535]

If you watch Hart he is all out on every fly since it takes him to long to react(as stated above). When you watch Cameron, no matter the hit it looks like he is shagging flys in batting practice, a nice smooth glide to the ball.

[TooLiveBrew]

If we don't retain Cameron, I sure will miss watching that smooth glide. I have never had the joy to watch a CF as skillful as Cam on 'my' team, and I'm not sure I ever will again.

[endaround]

Katin in AAA: .254/.308/.518

 

Cameron in MLB: .257/.363/.462

 

Its not close. Cameron has been getting on base at a great rate and yet Kendall has lead off games....

[Hate those Rodents]

I agree. I'd like Cam back for a one or two year deal. But the question is, is 5 mil a year enough for the guy. Or does he want/need more?

[endaround]

You want him back and then you want to insult him with an offer far below value? He'll end up being worth just shy of $15m this year.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Escobar

Gamel

Braun

Fielder

Hart

Weeks

Katin

Salome

 

Would make me really happy and Katin wouldn't need to get on base a ton he can just drive in runs which he is very good at.

I wouldn't expect a team starting 3 rookies plus a guy with less than 150 MLB at bats to do much more than win 70-ish games. Katin would be lucky to put up a .275 OBP at this level.

[derflotr]

Mike signed for 7 mil before last season and now he's worth almost 15 mil? How has his value doubled in his tenure with the Brewers? I love the guy, but 15 mil? No way...

[kramnoj]

Cameron is worth that much, because that's what teams typically pay for his level of production. Will he be worth that much in this economy on the market? Probably not.

 

Edit:

 

I just glanced through the outfielders of contending teams, and if the Brewers can't close the gap during August, they should really shop Cameron. Quite a few teams could use him. He would actually be an upgrade for at a corner OF position for some teams that may be in contention at the end of August.

[GB12]

I agree. I'd like Cam back for a one or two year deal. But the question is, is 5 mil a year enough for the guy. Or does he want/need more?

Cameron is worth a lot more than $5 million. I'd match the $10 he got this year to keep him.

[ryanbraun75]

Escobar

Gamel

Braun

Fielder

Hart

Weeks

Katin

Salome

 

Would make me really happy and Katin wouldn't need to get on base a ton e can just drive in runs which he is very good at.

I wouldn't expect a team starting 3 rookies plus a guy with less than 150 MLB at bats to do much more than win 70-ish games. Katin would be lucky to put up a .275 OBP at this level.

 

i disagree with that because i think escobar can easily put up the numbers that hardy's puttin up minus a few homeruns but he adds speed and athletisism.. Gamel i think may break out next season and have a really good season. And jason kendall in my opinion is the worst offensive catcher in the game. Hes horrible up at the plate. Salome could easily put up those numbers plus some pop in his bat. And a healthy weeks and hardy or McGhee getting us a starter that team could win alot of games. And as i said Katin down there in the order just needs to drive in runs and he can do that down there

[Hate those Rodents]

End sure isn't a fan of my posts. LOL. Well, ten million would be tops for me. 15 mil is absurd. I just figure an older guy like Cam might take a ten mil over two years to stay in Milwaukee. Who knows what the market will be in free agency in the off-season. There weren't many position players getting ten million a year this past off-season, that is for sure.

[TooLiveBrew]

Katin is an interesting case. Given some comments from him this season, it seems he's aware that his discipline or lack thereof will be the make or break aspect of his game. He certainly gave the impression that he realized he needed to make a big change, & pronto. I don't remember when exactly he made these comments, but I'm certain I saw them in the minor league forum (& I think pre-All-Star game).

 

I wonder if altering his approach (if he's been able to do so beyond that first week or so after commenting) will result in any sapping of his power, temporary or otherwise, as he tries to basically re-invent his approach. I recall the Brewers asking Richie Sexson to work at striking out less for one of the seasons he was with the org. I remember I posted about this a long time ago on this site, and looked into his numbers. While Sexson was able to cut down the K's, he also wasn't as powerful a hitter, either, and the project was scrapped. I hope that Katin is able to have more success.

 

A quick glance at Katin's monthly splits shows a marked increase in his walk rate, albeit in of course a small sample. June saw 13 BB over 83 AB, after tallying just 11 BB in his first 272 AB. Unfortunately his June line is .191/.313/.361/.674 -- his LD% dipped, as did his BABIP, but I'm not sure if only a month's worth of data is relevant enough in those two cases. I will try to remember to keep tabs on Katin's August numbers.

 

If Sept. 1 comes & the Brewers have slipped out of contention, I would really like to see get Katin some PAs with the big club -- if nothing else, against LHP. He could be a valuable (cheap) asset if the Brewers decide to use Hart to help acquire pitching.

 

(I hope this isn't too off-topic of a post; I just find Katin to be a very intriguing player)

[LouisEly]

You are only going to get a A baller at best for him, he only makes 1 mil this year and is probably the 3rd best offensive player this year.

By doing just that the last few years they acquired a couple of A-ballers named Carlos Villanueva and Josh Butler. I'll take another one of those two for Counsell. (Not to get too technical, but I'd put McGehee and Weeks ahead of Counsell in the production department, and Cameron and Hart at least equal.)

 

As for Suppan... you never know, someone desperate enough for starting pitching might just take him off of our hands. He certainly won't get claimed. Kendall I'm kind of torn on; I don't think he will net comp picks and I think he would net value in a trade, but it would be nice to have him tutor Salome for a year. The question is if Kendall wants to come back, in which case if he doesn't, then it would be best to trade him.

[logan82]

Kendall has stated he wants to retire as a Brewer. I don't see him coming back as a backup or tutor though. I also wouldn't want to pay for his bat again.

[GB12]

I'm perfectly fine with Kendall retiring as a Brewer.

 

 

As long as it's this offseason.

[TooLiveBrew]

I also wouldn't want to pay for his bat again.

 

In the monetary or figurative sense...

 

I for one can't wait for the Brewers to have a catcher that isn't Jason Kendall. I'm sure he does a very diligent job working on things like scouting reports & gameplans, etc. ... I just can't stomach him as a near-automatic out in the lineup. I swear Mike Burns could hit as well as Kendall, given fulltime-ish ABs.

 

 

Also, well-played, GB 12. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[logan82]

I swear Mike Burns could hit as well as Kendall, given fulltime-ish ABs.

I already have that bet with FTJ. Kendall vs Gallardo. I am winning right now, but Gallardo hitting a couple dingers would swing things pretty quick.

 

In the monetary or figurative sense...

Either. If Kendall would come back as a backup and mentor for around $1M I say sign him.(provided Macha isn't the manager, Kendall is Macha kryptonite) Anything more and I would rather take our chances with Lucroy/Salome/Rivera/Corporan.

 

Along those same lines. If Macha is brought back, I think we need to trade McGehee as well so Gamel can play. Either that or move Gamel to the outfield and trade Hart.

[TooLiveBrew]

I would hate to see the manager diminish the value of a player like Gamel. I just can't stand the thought that the Brewers would give up on Gamel at this point, especially given his strides defensively. He has range at 3B that few big-leaguers share, and a stellar arm. I'm confident that the Brewers can help iron out his footwork issues.

 

If Ken Macha thinks playing McGehee at 3B over Gamel is his only choice in terms of job security (he made comments this season that he has to put the best team on the field or risk being out of a job), I think the Brewers need to reinforce the message that not playing Gamel at third will be very, very bad for his job security.