Two More Busted for steriods in 2003....

[razzzorsharp]

Manny Rameriz and David Ortiz both have tested positive.

[ryne100]

Manny Rameriz and David Ortiz both have tested positive.

link?

[owbc]

Excellent. Not a surprise at all and I hope this report is true.

[razzzorsharp]

Sorry, no link as of yet. They are talking about it on Sportscenter.

[nate82]

link?

Here is the link.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=1&hp

[Gobias Industries]

Cue sappy Sports Guy column.

[RU Rah Rah]

And the obligatory disclaimer:

 

"The lawyers spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order. The lawyers did not identify which drugs were detected."

[sheethead]

"Five others have been tied to positive tests from that year: Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Jason Grimsley and David Segui. Bonds, baseball's career home runs leader, was not on the original list, although federal agents seized his 2003 sample and had it retested. Those results showed the presence of steroids, according to court documents."

 

and

 

"Asked about the 2003 drug test on Thursday in Boston, Ortiz shrugged. 'I'm not talking about that anymore,' he said. 'I have no comment.'"

 

are my favs of the article.

 

Why would Big Papi Pump want to talk about his steroid use? How many roiders actually want to talk about their drug use? Its funny and sad at the same time. Too bad MLB can't take away the Red Sox titles, since the majority of their offensive production was juicing.

 

Finally, the "speculation" tag to Bonds roid use should be removed for good. He did test positive, so throw "hasn't been caught" out the window. His use regimen was also clearly documented by the SF journalists.

[DrugBust]

They should make drugs to induce what I'm feeling right now. Oh yea, they do.

 

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[pretendastronaut]

Personally I'm just beyond tired of these slow leaks from a supposedly anonymous test from 6 years ago. At this point it just seems like a hit job on big names.

[fondybrewfan]

This is turning into a "Whose Who" of 2003 Home Run Hitters

 

Obviously not suprised by Manny, but I am pretty suprised my Ortiz. Not exactly sure why though.

[JoeHova]

sheethead wrote:Too bad MLB can't take away the Red Sox titles, since the majority of their offensive production was juicing.

 

It makes no sense to want to do that, for several reasons. How do you know that the Cardinals or Rockies weren't also using PEDs? I don't understand the holier-than-thou attitude that many fans take about this. Every team has had numerous users. There is no team's fanbase that should really feel smug about these (or similar) revelations.

[sheethead]

sheethead wrote:Too bad MLB can't take away the Red Sox titles, since the majority of their offensive production was juicing.

 

It makes no sense to want to do that, for several reasons. How do you know that the Cardinals or Rockies weren't also using PEDs? I don't understand the holier-than-thou attitude that many fans take about this. Every team has had numerous users. There is no team's fanbase that should really feel smug about these (or similar) revelations.

It was partially tongue in cheek, but I go by what I know. I now know for a fact these two were using at the very least through 2003. I don't know any Cards or Rox that were using as of this time. I don't understand how some can assume others were using when these names are leaked. You can go with your speculation, I will go by what I know.

[saget]

 

Holding Ortiz by his word, he should be able to play again at the start of next August.

[Tbadder]

Is this an issue? Is this news? Lets just ban all players stats and championships from...oh...lets see, 1995 till 2004 just to be on the safe side. Why am I even chiming in. Oh yeah, because I'm still blaming the Germans for WWII! Whew.

[Crew2323]

 

Holding Ortiz by his word, he should be able to play again at the start of next August.

To be fair, he said that no one should be punished before 2004 (which is when he tested positive, coincidentally). He was saying people who test positive now should be suspended for a year.

[MessiahRp]

link?

Here is the link.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=1&hp

So the original source is the NY Times? Color me skeptical if only because it's definitely not beneath NY Newspapers to try to smear the Red Sox since after all they are the arch enemies.

 

Rp

[Godspeed]

Objective journalism surely transcends sports rivalries. This isn't the NY Post you're talking about here.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I now know for a fact these two were using at the I now know for a fact these two were using at the very least through 2003.very least through 2003.

 

That's not a known fact. It's leaked information from a supposedly "sealed document" by anonymous sources.

 

Why? These "anonymous sources" know that what they're doing is BLATANTLY illegal, so what credibility do they have?

 

This stuff is nonsense. I don't like Papi, I don't like Manny, but I'm not going to hold them in contempt because of leaked results from a sealed survey test that they were told would be sealed.

 

This is ESPN trying to make news. Nothing more.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Also, for the record, I think every single guy who's tabbed by these "anonymous sources" should do nothing BUT deny. Until the "anonymous sources" come forward with who they are and why they're leaking this info, their credibility is zero.

[nohopspanther]

Objective journalism surely transcends sports rivalries. This isn't the NY Post you're talking about here.

From the same newspaper that gave us more than one plagiarist in the last decade alone?!

[BrewCrewForever]

Cue sappy Sports Guy column.

I'm a big Simmons fan, can't wait to see what he has to say about his boy on this one.

 

Not a big surprise, but I really loved that 2004 Red Sox team and was happy when they won, now it seems like a big sham. I hope they just release the entire list.

[sheethead]

Why? These "anonymous sources" know that what they're doing is BLATANTLY illegal, so what credibility do they have?

 

I am reluctant to start believing that government lawyers are making up facts, leaked illegally or not. Maybe someone with a conscious believes the public deserves to know who was cheating.

[logan82]

I find all this hard to believe. Manny Ramirez would never use steroids.

[Godspeed]

Objective journalism surely transcends sports rivalries. This isn't the NY Post you're talking about here.

From the same newspaper that gave us more than one plagiarist in the last decade alone?!

Plagiarism isn't exactly objective... The idea that the reporters in this case hold the Red Sox in high contempt enough to risk their own reputation is far-fetched and ludicrous. It's not as if there's no precedent in the matter.