Jarrod Washburn- Latest: Beat Reporters for both teams think they're talking

[BrewCityUnit]

There is 0% chance that Escobar is going to Seattle, why are we even talking about this? If any shortstop is traded to Seattle, it will be Hardy.

[Hate those Rodents]

FWIW, some guy on the JS blog is claiming to be an insider and says there will be no trade. He says Dillard gets two starts and that they hope to have Bush back after that and that the market for SP is too ridiculous for DOug to make a move. I hope he is right.

[fondybrewfan]

There is 0% chance that Escobar is going to Seattle, why are we even talking about this? If any shortstop is traded to Seattle, it will be Hardy.

I wouldn't call it o% although it is highly unlikely. No doubt in my mind that Escobar could be had for the right price

[sveumrules]

Bedard for Jones, Tillman & Sherrill. That is a fiasco.

 

Linebrink had the third best bullpen ERA on the team after his acquisition, behind CoCo and Shouse. Inman and Garrison have thrown ZERO mlb innings to this point. ZERO. Thatcher (career 67 IP, 4.18 FIP) was a redundancy with Stetter in the system (career 63 IP, 4.12 FIP).

 

Does anyone seriously think Melvin would even entertain the notion of trading Escobar for Washburn when he wouldn't for Halladay?

[SeriesFinale]

The more interest I'm hearing on Washburn from other teams and the more Escobar's name starts popping up the less I think this will happen, and the clock is ticking on getting Washburn to Milwaukee for tomorrow night's start. I'm thinking this is dead or dying too.

 

Now, if JJ isn't starting tonight...

[wibadgers23]

JJ is in the line-up tonight.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I'm pretty sure that this trade is still a possibility, it just won't happen in time to get Washburn a start here tomorrow night. I'm guessing that Doug will try hard to get Jack Z to take Hardy instead of Escobar, and that a trade will get done in a few days. It will most likely be Hardy and prospects for Washburn/Morrow, or some variation of that.

[Hate those Rodents]

Did you guys see the thread on this on the JS blog? Never have I seen so many basically unanimous support one way or the other in a thread. EVERYONE would be outraged if Escobar were dealt at Doug Melvin. And there must have been over 100 different people that posted (the thread might be over 300 right now, I am not sure). Anyway, I am impressed that there was enough knowledge seemingly by every brewer fan in that thread. Now if only Doug and MA can realize this, we can continue to build the "right" way toward a WS ring.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

2007:

 

Joe Thatcher w/ SD - 22 appearances, 1.29 ERA, 2.67 K/BB, .90 WHIP, 3.33 FIP (.217 BABIP)

Scott Linebrink w/ MIL - 27 app, 3.55 ERA, 2.27 K/BB, 1.50 WHIP, 4.11 FIP (.340 BABIP)

 

Granted, some of the difference could have been BABIP related and it's not like Thatcher has done anything since and Linebrink has had a solid career, but in 2007 - Thatcher was a better pitcher than Linebrink. That was the principal reason for the trade and it didn't work out. San Diego probably knew he was spent and our scouts missed it. Linebrink being our third best reliever speaks more to how bad the pen was than how good he was.

[Mr QL]

Washburn would provide more depth for the Brewers, especially if we tried to extend him (say 2 yrs $14 million, 3 years $20 million). We need guys that can go 6-7 innings, and that's what he is.

Isn't that what we said about Jeff Suppan?

 

It's cool and all that he's from Wisconsin but I hope that doesn't have anything to with our interest in him. I'll puke if we trade for him and they try to sell it like that. Unless you think you're making the playoffs this year with Washburn, do not trade for him.

[dadofandrew]

Escobar and CV for Morrow, Washburn, and a top pitching prospect, in AA/AAA, seems to me to be a bit of an alternative, but no rumor has even mentioned that, so I am not sure what to think. I love Mark A, but I get the feeling he underrates how much 6 years (4 really cheap) of Alcides is worth, and tried to work out a deal, but they cannot find a match.

 

I would kick the tires on Harang, Garland, and so on. To me, Escobar, Gamel, and Lawrie would be untouchables, with Salome close, unless they've decided he'll never catch in the bigs, which is not what Money has stated. His numbers since May are outstanding.

[WisconsinSportsRule]

Count me in the same boat that has everyone outraged if we deal Escobar.

 

Melvin can't be that short sighted could he? I highly doubt/hope that Escobar goes anywhere but Milwaukee.

[dadofandrew]

FWIW, some guy on the JS blog is claiming to be an insider and says there will be no trade. He says Dillard gets two starts and that they hope to have Bush back after that and that the market for SP is too ridiculous for DOug to make a move. I hope he is right.

I'm sure he meant CV would get the next 2 starts. Hard to keep it all straight when you're an "insider".

[sveumrules]

2007:

 

Joe Thatcher w/ SD - 22 appearances, 1.29 ERA, 2.67 K/BB, .90 WHIP, 3.33 FIP (.217 BABIP)

Scott Linebrink w/ MIL - 27 app, 3.55 ERA, 2.27 K/BB, 1.50 WHIP, 4.11 FIP (.340 BABIP)

 

Granted, some of the difference could have been BABIP related and it's not like Thatcher has done anything since and Linebrink has had a solid career, but in 2007 - Thatcher was a better pitcher than Linebrink. That was the principal reason for the trade and it didn't work out. San Diego probably knew he was spent and our scouts missed it. Linebrink being our third best reliever speaks more to how bad the pen was than how good he was.

 

that's great looking back at this point, but there was no baseline for thatcher's performance to be that extraordinary (based on what he's done since i would say a better adjective might even be lucky). imagine right now if doug had a presser and said "well, we could have traded a few spare parts for an established MLB bullpen arm but instead we're gonna go with this guy who we just plucked out of the indy leagues and hope he throws the luckiest 21 innings of his life."

[Weirdos19]

Just remember that Thatcher was more of a one hitter guy and Linebrink was thrown in the fire here.

[SeriesFinale]

The very strong possibility of Arroyo going to the Yankees would seem to drive down the price here, I'd assume

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

He was hardly out of the indy leagues, but I actually thought the trade was fine at the time and certainly wasn't worried about Thatcher either...it was more about Inman. My point was more that Linebrink didn't pan out so from the Brewers perspective it was a bad trade. Thatcher was also a component of the Padres semi-successful playoff (or almost playoff) run that year. In 2007, whether it was luck or even predictable, Thatcher was flat out better than Linebrink.

 

True Weirdos he was viewed as more LOOGYish and Linebrink was supposed to be a guy that could pitch a full inning to get to Coco. However in 2007, Thatcher pitched 21 innings in 22 appearences. Linebrink was 25.1 innings in 27 appearances. Not a major difference.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

So if it's Hardy + 2 class A or below prospects for Washburn/Morrow...how does everyone feel? I have heard that JJ was "Jack's guy" and Escobar was not...so maybe that leans towards JJ. They also have enough dough to resign him, unlike us.

[Hate those Rodents]

As long as Lawrie isn't th "A" ball player(s) we give up, I am on board. What about Escobar/Dykstra/Aguilar for Washburn/Morrow? Too much to give up or not enough?

[Mr QL]

I wouldn't trade Escobar for Washburn in any form, period.

[barbados73]

Don't think it would happen, but I would prefer the Brewers deal Hardy to the Mariners for Morrow and some other prospects(not familar with the M's farm system). I look at it like reloading for next year by shoring up your pitching, and the Brewers would get some major league playing time for Escobar. I would prefer the Brewers do a modest sell this season(shop Cameron, Suppan, Hardy, Hart, maybe Hoffman etc.) and look to gear up for possibly one last run with Prince(yes I know he is under contract the following season, but if the Brewers want anything in return trade wise they will have to deal him next offseason at the latest).

[sveumrules]

So if it's Hardy + 2 class A or below prospects for Washburn/Morrow...how does everyone feel? I have heard that JJ was "Jack's guy" and Escobar was not...so maybe that leans towards JJ. They also have enough dough to resign him, unlike us.

 

that seems perfect to me. i predicted Hardy/Schaefer/Brewer earlier in the thread as it gives Jack Z the rangy CFer which seems to be his current MO in seattle and Brewer who is a high upside, boom/bust type who Z liked enough to draft in the 2nd round not too long ago.

 

and i agree with you 100% socal that Thatcher was far and away better for SD than Linebrink was for us in 07. (oddly enough most of his success came against RHB to the tune of a .151/.196/.181 line over 56 PA's) i guess it's just a pet peeve of mine when people say the trade was a failure or fiasco as it was the right move to make at the time. i too thought Inman was too high a price to pay for a 1/2 season of bullpen work but he's looking a lot more Hendrickson than Gallardo at this point and time which softens the blow a bit and only further lessens the COLOSSAL FAILURE of a trade that people still seem to cling to that being.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Not to take the thread too far off-topic, but I'm curious. Which prospects do we have now that were as of a result of the Linebrink compensatory picks?

[TheCrew07]

Dykstra and Frederickson

[The Ignitor]

I do not trade Hardy, or any high level prospect for Washburn. Sell or sit still. Move Hardy + a prospect in the off-season for a younger pitcher with 2 type stuff. The deal will be much more possible in the off-season. Given the sellers market at the moment, we will get raked over the coals before the deadline. Washburn is just not a big enough difference maker with the current team's makeup.