Jarrod Washburn- Latest: Beat Reporters for both teams think they're talking

[MNBrew]

Just to add to the conspiracy theories, Escobar is no longer listed as on the Nashville Sounds when you search for him on minorleaguebaseball.com. Gamel is.

Maybe because he was promoted to Milwaukee? Just hoping...

On the Nashville Sounds roster page, all Brewers AAA players in question are still listed. (Ditto for the players at other levels, too.) On their individual player/stat pages, they're all still shown as having "Active" status for Nashville. (Ditto again.)

 

Not that I can explain the missing affiliation thing, but I just can't get worked up about that one thing yet. Half the minor leaguers named Escobar (milb.com search: last name of "Escobar") don't show a team affiliation. I doubt they're all on the verge of being traded.

[SeriesFinale]

I think there's definitely smoke here, possibly fire. Or a lot of coincidences. Either way, I think if a trade is to be made, it'll happen sometime in the next 24 hours.

Yeah, heavy chatter from those in the know on both side. And given the Tuesday start, I think this happens tonight or tomorrow or not at all.

 

Whether, of course, we like it or not. I'll be sad to see JJ or Escobar go for a half-year of Washburn on a problematic uninspiring Brewers team (unless, of course, in the end I'm somehow not...). The fact that Jack Z is involved has me nervous.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Don't worry everyone, I'm sure Melvin has a deal done and Escobar is on his way to Milwaukee to replace Hardy who is heading to Seattle. I just hope that both Washburn and Morrow are on a plane to Milwaukee as well. I hope I wake up tomorrow and see that this happened. That would make my week. Especially since I'm going to the game on Tuesday, and would get to see Washburn pitch and Escobar play as well.

[jjfanec]

I think there's definitely smoke here, possibly fire. Or a lot of coincidences. Either way, I think if a trade is to be made, it'll happen sometime in the next 24 hours.

Yeah, heavy chatter from those in the know on both side. And given the Tuesday start, I think this happens tonight or tomorrow or not at all.

 

Whether, of course, we like it or not. I'll be sad to see JJ or Escobar go for a half-year of Washburn on a problematic uninspiring Brewers team (unless, of course, in the end I'm somehow not...). The fact that Jack Z is involved has me nervous.

I cannot imagine we would send JJ or Escobar go to get just Washburn. I would assume we would get something back hopefully a young pitcher. If Escobar really is near untouchable I cannot foresee Washburn being a guy we give him up for.

[JJHardy7]

Thanks! It looks like the Phillies' prospects being talked about for Halladay have something similar going on as well, though. Not sure if it's just something they do when a roster move of some kind might be coming?

 

I've never used that during trade rumors, but wouldn't you think there would be more sources out there confirming? Not knocking at all on you PF...it would just be a really, really interesting way for a trade to go down considering there aren't a lot of sources out there. I guess we'll see soon!

[NievesNoNO]

Hardy + for Washburn and Morrow would seem fair on both sides. The Mariners probably have the better end of it, but it makes sense for both. Washburn won't be enough at this rate though. Now if they could add Justin Duchscherer inexpensively and catch lightning in a bottle with his health then perhaps there's still hope.

[PeaveyFury]

I've never used that during trade rumors, but wouldn't you think there would be more sources out there confirming?

 

Yeah, it's all just circumstantial stuff right now- who knows, it's possibly just a glitch on their site or something. But the timing is just odd, and like I said, the Philly prospects are the same way. Not sure if that's them preparing for a possible move since they're in rumors, finding out info first, or again, just a complete coincidence.

[sbrylski]

Hardy + for Washburn and Morrow would seem fair on both sides. The Mariners probably have the better end of it, but it makes sense for both. Washburn won't be enough at this rate though. Now if they could add Justin Duchscherer inexpensively and catch lightning in a bottle with his health then perhaps there's still hope.

I have a feeling that would be one of those trades that fans on both sides would feel they got the worst of.

 

Playing along, if we were to acquire a Washburn and Morrow package for Hardy, I'd bet a bundle we would also give up a prospect or two, though mid/lower tier at best.

[sbrylski]

Also, for the non-link report readers, Escobar was removed from the Sounds game in the 6th inning today, FWIW.

 

(Don't think this has been mentioned in this thread yet.)

[Dmiles23]

I just hope that if we trade Hardy, we don't see an infield of Fielder, Lopez, Counsell, and McGehee more often than not.

[smetana34]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/macha-hints-at-potential-trade.html

[TCSM]

Also, for the non-link report readers, Escobar was removed from the Sounds game in the 6th inning today, FWIW.

 

(Don't think this has been mentioned in this thread yet.)

It happened during a blowout game making it unlikely it has anything to do with a trade.

[bando1234]

Not to be a downer but, Melvin sent the Padres one of our top 10 & one our top 20 prospects at the time(plus another arm) for a setup man.

 

He also sent our Number 1,11 & 24prosepcts(plus an arm) for a pitcher(might I say a great pitcher) who had a 1/2 year left on his contract & no real chance to sign.

 

While I think Mark A was driving the boat on both of these, what is not to say he is not trying to push this trade thru, no matter what the cost. If thats the case Im sure Jack Z knows this too.

 

I dont want it to happen but I would not be surprised if it is Washburn for Escobar.

[sbrylski]

I dont want it to happen but I would not be surprised if it is Washburn for Escobar.

 

This forum would explode in rage. Just saying.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I dont want it to happen but I would not be surprised if it is Washburn for Escobar.

 

This forum would explode in rage. Just saying.

I would probably boycott the Brewers for awhile if this happened.

[kramnoj]

What would be the combination of players that the Brewers could give up that they would miss the least, while still being attractive for Z and the Ms? I just have a hard time believing that Hardy, Gamel or Escobar will be traded for a package where Washburn is the prize, but then I don't know what players beyond that would be the answer for the Mariners.

[clancyphile]

I dont want it to happen but I would not be surprised if it is Washburn for Escobar.

 

This forum would explode in rage. Just saying.

I'd be most irritated. I'd rather move Gamel since Taylor Green is also a very viable option at third base.

[PeaveyFury]

What would be the combination of players that the Brewers could give up that they would miss the least, while still being attractive for Z and the Ms?

 

I saw someone on a Mariner board post Washburn/Morrow/Balentein for Hardy/Pitching Prospect, so they seem to be on board with what we'd probably prefer to do (Hardy vs Escobar). I'd like for the prospect to be someone like Dillard as I posted before, but it might take more than that to get Jack Z to do it.

[Sopranos62]

If Hardy does go, would Escobar get the call? Gamel? Irribarren?

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

I'm in the minority, but I hope Hardy isn't traded. He's had a down year, but he's a good player who is a fan favorite, and is a homegrown product.

 

Escobar doesn't seem to fit Melvin's mold. He'd rather have a 20+ HR guy than a .280, 5 HR guy. If they thought he was the answer, I'd imagine Hardy would have been dealt by now.

 

It'll be a VERY interesting next 24 hours.

[PeaveyFury]

If Hardy does go, would Escobar get the call? Gamel? Irribarren?

 

Absolutely Escobar.

[sbrylski]

What would be the combination of players that the Brewers could give up that they would miss the least, while still being attractive for Z and the Ms?

 

I saw someone on a Mariner board post Washburn/Morrow/Balentein for Hardy/Pitching Prospect, so they seem to be on board with what we'd probably prefer to do (Hardy vs Escobar). I'd like for the prospect to be someone like Dillard as I posted before, but it might take more than that to get Jack Z to do it.

People from Seattle have been all over the map on what they're asking for.

 

Dave Cameron two weeks ago posted that he would like to see a Hardy for Bedard and Washburn.

 

Tonight, the Seattle beat writer posted he thinks Wasburn and Morrow would net more than just Escobar.

 

If this goes down, I'll say again, that it would make most sense to see Wasburn and Morrow for Hardy and a mid/lower level prospect or two that Jack Z has a thing for.

[SeriesFinale]

I'm in the minority, but I hope Hardy isn't traded. He's had a down year, but he's a good player who is a fan favorite, and is a homegrown product.

 

Escobar doesn't seem to fit Melvin's mold. He'd rather have a 20+ HR guy than a .280, 5 HR guy. If they thought he was the answer, I'd imagine Hardy would have been dealt by now.

 

It'll be a VERY interesting next 24 hours.

I agree with all of this.

 

And there's the irony of a trade that could be largely driven by the recent huge crowds at MP could see the departure of one of that crowd's absolute favorites.

 

Edit: For the record I don't want to see Escobar go either...not for Washburn, not now.

[bando1234]

If Marrow were included what part would he play? Im assuming he would be a reliever the rest of the year, but would we make him a starter next year or would we make him our closer? Im not sure. Or do we do take the Derek Lowe route & make him a closer for a year or two & make him a starter. getting a head of myself since he is not a Brewer but I was just wondering.

[Hate those Rodents]

Suppan has to move to middle relief at some point soon. Not sure Macha/Melvin have the guts to do it this year even if we landed both Washburn and Morrow, but I highly doubt, despite his large salary, that he starts for us next year.