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(Update) Brewers DIDN'T offer Brady Clark for Clint Barmes

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The Rockies have interest in Clark, but his salary is problematic - they would like the Brewers to eat $2 million of his $3.8 million contract - and they are not sure he could outperform Barmes if they try him in center field.

 

Looks like the Rockies are considering using Barmes in center. Maybe the Brewers want to complete their all-infield outfield?

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So they want the Brewers to eat over half of Clark's salary for a guy who stinks offensively so we can play him out of position in CF?

 

And don't the Rockies remember Clark's catch in Coors Field? He's worth every penny of that $3.8 million! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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But Counsell is old and could get hurt at any time. We can't be embarrassed again so we must get Barmes to make sure everything will be ok in case Hardy and Counsell get hurt.

 

We sign a washed up reserve for two years and six million and then have to make a trade for a young guy in case the overpaid reserve gets hurt? This is roster mismanagement at a new level.

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[ We sign a washed up reserve for two years and six million and then have to make a trade for a young guy in case the overpaid reserve gets hurt? This is roster mismanagement at a new level. ]

 

Since SS is the biggest skill position on the defensive spectrum, we should have 12 position players including 2 catchers and 10 shortstops. That way, if the first 9 go down, we're still good to go. The other shortstops can shift to various positions. Heck, I bet Vinny Rottino can play shortstop. Even better.

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Barmes was running away with ROY honors 2 years ago before he fell and got hurt. He had a very bad year last season but was projected to be a .300 hitter with 20/20 potential. Barmes isnt trash but I dont know why melvin wants to make this move.

 

Once again - if true - Melvin seems to always be sniffing around the 27-28 year old players. That said - I write this up to be internet rumors. I do wonder though if Counsell or Graffy might be involved in this deal. Maybe the Rocks arent comfortable turning over SS to Troy next generation Tulitowsky(sp) yet or just want a veteran backup?

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With all due respect sir - I do not believe that Coors makes a .100 point difference in average and OBP. I do think that he was more comfortable at home and I do think colorado is a hitters park, but that big of a difference - I find that hard to blame on altitude.
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Not that its worth much but this is Barmes 2005 scouting report from Baseball America when they named him the 10th best prospect in rockies baseball.

 

10. Clint Barmes, ss

Age: 26. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 175.

Drafted: Indiana State, 2000 (10th round). Signed by: Ty Coslow.

 

Background: Viewed as a utilityman entering 2004, Barmes had the best year of his career and capped it by hitting his first big league homer off Carl Pavano in August.

 

Strengths: Barmes doesn't have an overwhelming tool, but his solid all-around game grows on you. His competitiveness is obvious at the plate. He makes contact and uses the whole field in the mold of a traditional No. 2 hitter. Barmes is strong enough that he can drive balls on the outer half if he stays on them. He has good speed and even better instincts on the bases.

 

Weaknesses: Barmes will need to draw more walks to bat near the top of the order. He's not flashy in the field, but his hands and footwork allow him to make routine plays. A center fielder at Indiana State, he possesses a strong arm, positions himself well and takes charge of situations.

 

The Future: Barmes will have the opportunity to claim Colorado's everyday shortstop job this spring. If he hits as expected, he'll give the Rockies more offense than they've ever gotten from a shortstop.

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[ I do think that he was more comfortable at home and I do think colorado is a hitters park, but that big of a difference - I find that hard to blame on altitude. ]

 

It's not just altitutde... To adjust for altitude, the park is bigger than most others, making it a slap-hitter paradise.

 

Let's look at Cirillo's 2001 Coors Field experience:

 

Home: .362/.404/.571 &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp

Away: .266/.327/.383 &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp

 

Let's take a slap-hitter from this year, Jamey Carroll

 

Home: .375/.445/.483

Away: .220/.304/.318

 

Certainly, it isn't just the home cooking. I'm not saying ALL Rockies players batting averages vary by .100 points, but those who rely on BA to do their job are in for a shock outside Coors Field.

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A Clark forr Barmes trade would be the weirdest trade I have ever seen, unless they think they can pass him through waivers and send him to AAA. I guess you can never have enough SS in the system (but you can have enough in the bigs.)
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is barmes owed money?

 

I can see barmes as an add in to a deal to even salaries out, but otherwise, i think this is wishful thinking on the part of the colorado writer...

 

the rockies have the right idea though, as brady clark would probably bat .330 in coors...

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Devil's Advocate: road splits tend to be skewed for all players in Coors Field, because the breaking ball is said to have more movement at the lower altitude. The affect isn't as dramatic when visiting teams stop in for 3-4 days and then hit the road, but is more substantial when the home team spends 7-10+ days at altitude, and then have to adjust to playing on the road.

 

For that reason, I don't think it's fair to look at any Rockies hitter, and presume that he will perform down to the level of his road splits.

 

 

It's a bit of an odd deal, in as much as we don't have a particularly good roster fit for Barnes at this point. Then again, the same could be said for Clark (if Hall is the everyday CF, with Gross backing him up, and Hart able to play center in a pinch).

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