JJ Hardy for Clay Buchholz?

[endaround]

Given Dave Cameron thinks Hardy is worth Bedard and Washburn and Cash I doubt he thinks Bucholz alone is overpaying

[Pudster13]

The window to get someone like Clay Buchholz for JJ Hardy is likely closed. Besides, Boston has Jed Lowrie to be their SS of the future. It's very unlikely they'd be interested in Hardy as just a rental.

[Hate those Rodents]

I agree Pudster. I think that our GM's overvaluing of Hardy and Hart is going to keep us from reaching our potential. You have to strike when the iron is hot. We haven't really sold high on anyone since Overbay (who was sold more at a consistent level than at a high level). For a city like Milwaukee to reach the promise land, we need to be a bit shrewder that we've been. It's a tough job though, and Doug certainly is not doing a bad job. He just has missed opportunities that he should've known enough to take advantage of.

[TheCrew07]

Our GM is no different than the majority on this site that didn't want to move Hardy this off season, but now he's sort of stuck. Then again, maybe teams made offers, but they weren't very good and Melvin wisely declined them. We'll never know.

[Never Outhustled]

I think that our GM's overvaluing of Hardy and Hart is going to keep us from reaching our potential.

I think Hart and Hardy's situations are different. One is a really valuable player who is in a slump, and the other is Corey Hart.

[igor67]

I like the discounted win value, the real trick is that different teams should have very different weighting schemes for their win amortization. For Boston and Yankees as perenial contenders you could argue that wins are wins with maybe a slight discount representing future uncertainty. While to rebuilding teams current and even next year wins might be relatively worthless compared to wins when they might be more competitive. And to almost anybody in the NL central wins now should be worth a fair bit because the marginal gain in terms of increased playoff odds is pretty high.

[twobrewers]

U.S.S. Mariners think the Brewers should trade Hardy to the Mariners for Bedard and Washburn.

I like how they think.

[endaround]

I don't mostly because Wasburn isn't an expected upgrade and Bedard is a huge injury risk.

[Hate those Rodents]

I would love this trade if we could resign one of them and get two firsts for the other after the season. This would be a great trade for us then.

[twobrewers]

It would likely improve the Brewers this year. (Hardy = Escobar) Bedard steps into the line-up and is definately an upgrade when healthy.

 

Washburn helps this year and next.

 

In addition, Bedard and Hardy would both likely be Type A free agents and net similar draft picks.

[Hate those Rodents]

How is Washburn not an expected upgrade? He's pitching in the AL with better numbers than Yo, and even if some obscure stat is used, he'd easily be our second best starter this year (unless we count Bedard I guess).

[sargennm]

I'm not a big fan of trading Hardy midseason, but even I would take Washburn and Bedard.

[Hate those Rodents]

I actually really agree with the idea this blogger has for his Mariners. The Brewers should be looking to be buyers AND sellers. That is, we should not put a decent sized dent into our farm system, but should try and add the pitching via our current 25 man roster. This trade would work if available. Hart plus for Vazquez would work as well.

[804Sox]

That would be a great deal for the Brewers. They'd immediately become the team to beat in their division and would parobably have as good a shot as any team in the NL at making the WS except the Dodgers

[trwi7]

I don't like that deal. Both are free agents at the end of the season, Bedard is projected to be a type B free agent and Washburn wouldn't garner any compensation right now so we'd only get one pick. J.J. has another year and a half before free agency and is a projected type A free agent right now.

 

We're trading more controlled years and better compensation for more salary is an awful deal for us.

[endaround]

Cameron wouldhave the Mariners pick up the salary difference. That said, Washburn has pitched great but its been mostly luck and great defense, he's unliekly to continueing pitching different than he has his entire carrer except for these 3 months. Given that Suppan is anchored to the rotation, its Washburn vs Parra and going forward thats a wash. Bedard has great talent but he may only give you 60 innings.

 

As to compensation, Washburn would likely get $11m next season at age 35 in arbitration. The chance anyone would match that is slim, so even if he gets ranked Type B yu won't get compensation because the Brewers would unlikely offer arby.

[twobrewers]

Both are free agents at the end of the season, Bedard is projected to be a type B free agent and Washburn wouldn't garner any compensation right now so we'd only get one pick.

Bedard is right on the boardline of being a Type A free agent. In addition, the move to the NL will adjust his rankings to compare him to other NL pitchers. Plus, he has 1/2 a season to pad his stats against NL batters. I would say the chances of him being a Type A free agent are very good.

 

Washburn would not accept arbitration, even at 11 million. Why would he take 1 year at 11 million versus 4 years at 30 million? (I.E. Brian Shouse)

[endaround]

Because no one is going to give him that much money. He'd get a Looper type deal. Bedard is constantly losing out on innings pitched. He's actually lost ground.

[dadofandrew]

No way Doug deals Hardy for 2 guys who will not contribute in '10.

[WisconsinSportsRule]

Nobody thinks if we deal for Bedard that we wouldn't resign him?

[Hate those Rodents]

I actually think we'd resign both, and even when we trade for neither, I bet we end up signing one of the two after the season.

[trwi7]

Nobody thinks if we deal for Bedard that we wouldn't resign him?

Would we even want to re-sign him? Some team is going to give him at least $10 million over four years. Not a smart move with his injury history.

[fondybrewfan]

Nobody thinks if we deal for Bedard that we wouldn't resign him?

Would we even want to re-sign him? Some team is going to give him at least $10 million over four years. Not a smart move with his injury history.

I doubt he would have a chance of getting that much this coming offseason. He might get $10M but I don't see anyone making a 4 year commitment on him, especially when the Yanks and Sox aren't going to be bidders (Assuming)

[dadofandrew]

Bedard could take half the money to go somewhere else. And why would he resign with a team he'll have two months of time with? When you trade for a FA to be, you count on them being gone when they hit free agency.

[kramnoj]

I think Bedard might be one of the top 2 FA pitchers this offseason. You never know when a team that wants to improve pitching will overpay in years or dollars for FA (see Lowe, Meche, etc).