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Brewers talking with Jeff Suppan

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I have no use for save percentage, as you can "blow" 2-3 saves in a game and still win. However, it does imply that the middle relief was not as average as I recall, for whatever reason.

 

I looked over the actual numbers again and I want to correct myself. The rest of the bullpen was adequate in July, although Turnbow just collapsed. And Turnbow's collapse can't be understated. 5 save opportunities were turned into 1 save and 4 losses, 15 earned runs in 6.3 IP over 11 games. If Turnbow had converted saves at even a below average 80% rate, the Brewers record in July could have been 13 and 12 instead of 10 and 15, which could have been a pretty significant swing in how they approached the trade deadline.

 

Now the September splits for the bullpen are just ugly, other than Cordero. Collapse is a fair way to describe the September bullpen, perhaps due to overwork over the rest of the season.

 

I'll still suggest that the two most important events for the Brewers in 2006 were the injury to Sheets and the collapse of Turnbow as they created a chain of effects and forced the Brewers' hand. Especially since they both showed the ability to perform at an All Star level. Barnwell getting a whole 30 ABs doesn't even compare to the level of problems induced by Turnbow.

 

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I might be acting way too cynical, but it feels like Suppan is only entertaining the Brewers in order to snowball other interested teams in making a move for him. Personally I won't be too disappointed if they don't sign him, but this whole thing feels like he's using the Brewers and Melvin's interest as an indication to other teams that they have to get going if they want to sign him. In other words, Melvin is simply getting Suppan's 11, 12, 13 Million dollar ball rolling.

 

In any event, it is very exciting an encouraging that we are in the mix for a 10 Million dollar guy - it's just not that exciting when that guy is Jeff Suppan.

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Adapting Roberts point, the effect of adding Suppan is equal to finding one Ohka type player and an average reliever all at the same time, and if we get enough rotation innings that we have a lot fewer relief innings not only is it less innings from really bad pitchers, but it may tilt to roster towards have an extra position player, which never hurts when it comes to having tactical options in the late innings. Those 30-40 innings more that you can expect out of Suppan over another pitcher are simply huge.
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Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports is reporting that the offer is between 36 and 40 million over 4 years. This is along the lines of what we expected.

 

I could definately handle this. I am expecting him to sign for about $10 million more than that though.

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Yeah, it's definitely encouraging to read those comments. I just hope they are sincere, and not just posturing to further encourage a bidding war.

 

Really, I understand Suppan would theoretically want to wait for Zito to sign to drive his own value up, but you'd think he'd want to get this taken care of before Christmas so he can focus on his family and not who is countering what offer at the moment. Probably wishful thinking on my part, though.

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I'm going to take the pessimistic view and then be pleasantly surprised if we get him. But being in the early stages at 4/40, I have to believe someone is going to get crazy and he'll wind up 4/50 or something. Or, even 5/55-60. You just never know with the market this offseason.
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Obviously, this is a stupid question, but what the hell, there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers, or something like that...

 

If the Brewers are willing to put out (theoretically) 4/$40M for the Soup Can, is Zito worth the 4/$65 or whatever he's looking for, and would the Brew Crew be better off going in that direction? I'm not up on Zito, he probably doesn't want to be in a hick town like MKE, anyway, but just throwing it out there. Is Suppan a better value than Zito, all other things being equal? (I live in MKE, I think it's great, but for a "west coaster" like Zito, he might view it as a hick town.)

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Obviously, this is a stupid question, but what the hell, there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers, or something like that...

 

I believe it goes something like this. There's no such thing as a stupid question just stupid people.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

And Zito won't even think about coming here. He's either staying on the west coast, going to New York or getting a ton of money from Texas. I believe he has a 6 year $102 million offer so 4/65 wouldn't even be close.

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[ I'm not up on Zito, he probably doesn't want to be in a hick town like MKE, anyway, but just throwing it out there. ]

 

I think you pretty much nailed it there. Zito had some not-so-polite comments about Milwaukee during the All-Star game. I doubt signing him would even be a possibility, even if they did want to pony up the cash.

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Like I said before maybe the chance to face his former team about 4 times could intrigue him

 

Yes, the prospect of facing Pujols all year sounds VERY intriguing! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

I've felt from the beginning that Suppan is slightly overpriced because of the market, but that I hope he signs because he'd make the team better, but that I don't like our chances of signing him. Those chances have gone up since we have made an offer, but I still think he will find more money from a more competitive team in the next week.

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"I believe it goes something like this. There's no such thing as a stupid iquestion just stupid people.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

Thanks very much, trw!

 

Ok, so $16+ won't do it then. 4/70 might ($17.5/yr) might, but he likes Texas that much, more power to him!!!!

 

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Thank you very much , trw!!!? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

And I suppose 4/70 won't do it either, but still, he could still surf on Lake Michigan between starts! What's there in Texas?

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That's probably what Dalton was thinking when he signed Higuera (a much better pitcher than Suppan) in '90. The end result of that was losing Molitor. If Suppan were to get hurt or go Jaimie Navarro on us, they will be stuck with him, and hence will have a convenient excuse for their inability to put a competitve offer on the table for Hall and/or Sheets.

 

I'm sure Harry was not thinking about moving Teddy, he was the ace back then. But Brewer luck he blew out his arm, and in his prime Teddy has a better pitcher than Suppan.

 

I don't think Mark A is going make an injury an excuse to not offer a contract to a player that is part of the core.

 

Sheets is a poor example as he is the injury guy that might cost some players right now. He has a big contract and is eating up a lot of room and not producing.

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