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Brewers talking with Jeff Suppan

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If we hypothetically signed him for that number, I sure hope it wouldn't prevent us from signing the younger kids in a couple years. Though I imagine Doug would be smart enough to flip him at that time, unless Cappy or Sheets was getting the heave ho.
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You're right about different opinions. Maybe you're saying our 11 last year is our 6 now, and you mentioned Zach Jackson would move up from 10 to 7. I think I see what you're getting at, but when that 6 through 10 got hurt or largely bombed last year, like Peavey said, ignorance isn't bliss. And the only way you'll ever need to get anywhere near 10 is if 6-9 all bomb like our boys in 2006.

 

In a perfect world, Villanueva wouldn't have to earn his way into the rotation a third or fourth time. I think if he shows the same through spring training, he won't have to. I don't know if that leaves Vargas as the long man/6th starter before injuries, but I'd rather count on him to step up as a fifth than Helling.

 

I was high on Helling this time last year, too, and I even thought it might have been worth keeping him again this year. Hindsight helps a lot, but after losing the #1 and #5 starters likely kept us from knocking the world champions out of the playoffs, it's hard to hear we had deep starting pitching. I was happy about the pitching and the promise of the depth heading into last year, though, so I don't really have a point.

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Eveland had some solid big league experience from 2005

 

A 5.97 ERA and 1.85 WHIP is not solid in any way, shape or form.

 

Our seventh man would be our tenth man from the year before.

 

You're simply too hung up on the number of options, rather than the actual quality of them. If your definition of depth is that we had more bodies to choose from in 2006, fine, you're right. But I prefer to define it as having a number of quality starters with a couple quality backup options, ie having 7-8 legitimately good options is a heck of a lot better than having 10-11 options with 4-5 of those being poor.

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I don't get it, do you mean baseball and the world are messed up? What if they spend an average of $5M a year for Braun, Bush, Fielder, Gallardo, Gross, Gwynn, Hardy, Hart, Villanueva and Weeks over the same time period (next 2 years)?

 

It's been a while since I've seen Robocop, but I'd buy that for a dollar!

 

I'd have ripped out my fingernails a month ago if I tried to compare all that to half a Pierre or Suppan.

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In this market, 4 yrs. 38 million is not out of line but I wouldn't go higher. It's a competitive bid.

 

Here's the downside though. It might be a sign the Brewers don't think they'll be able to afford Sheets after 2008. And with the way the market as gone, that may be the sad fact. But that's hopefully where Gallardo steps in.

 

As for the rotation if Suppan were signed, I don't think Vargas has a lock on the 5th spot. It would be competed for between Vargas and Villanueva in spring with the loser likely to get the long relief spot.

 

With Suppan, I like this year's depth over last year's. Last year, Sheets was coming off of back problems. Bush was more of a question mark than Villanueva is now. The 6th starter (Helling) was in his mid 30's. None of the younger guys had shown as much as Villanueava has in the bigs, and the top pitching prospect in the system was in A ball.

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Bush was more of a question mark than Villanueva is now.

That's not really true. Bush had already pitched over 200 innings with an AL club, and had a career ERA around 4 with a very solid WHIP in the low 1.2 region. While Villanueva did pretty well last year, he only pitched 53.2 innings. With a sample size that small, there's a very good chance that Carlos's stats were fluky.

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What are Suppan's career splits, Brewers and non-Brewers? Seriously, they can't be very good. I'll pass for 9.5 million a year. Hopefully, he goes to Kansas City or another A.L. team, so the Brewers don't have to face him anymore. That alone would probably be worth 2-3 wins. Maybe they could buy DeLaRosa back for 2-3 million to help K.C. sweeten the pot.
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I have doubts .......

 

I remember last year when Melvin said he made a viable/honest offer to Washburn. it turned out Melvin's offer was the lowest one on the table. Washburn would have been a fool to accept it. but it looked nice to be able to tell brewer fans, I tried to acquire him. it also made brewer fans feel nice that Washburn had a mediocre year last year. Was Washburn's year any worse than Sheets?

 

I also see an immediate give away of Jenkins if the brewers acquire Suppan, because the brewers' payroll cannot afford to add Suppan and his salary without jettisonning at least $8 million to somebody else. And if other owners realize the Brewers can no longer afford to keep jenkins, then all the brewers will receive in return for him is some low ceiling AAAA prospects.

 

looking at the supposed offers on the table, if I were Suppan, I'd take the Brewers' offer over the Pittsburgh, Colorado and KC offers. but Suppan would be a fool not to accept the Mets' offer. the mets just non tendered Zambrano to open a spot in their rotation for Suppan.

 

To me this just looks like another case of melvin bidding low knowing the player will not accept our offer. Weren't the brewers also in the bidding for Jason Schmidt too? or was that just another spin created story?

 

I like Suppan and think he'd make a great addition to the brewers' starting rotation. however, like I said - I have my doubts. I don't doubt the brewers made an offer. My doubt is with Suppan actually taking it seriously.

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As someone previously said, acquiring Suppan should get Doug and Gord to start widening their scope for Mench/Clark/Jenkins trade proposals, as they won't have to be focused on SP depth. When you consider that upgrading a very questionable bullpen as well as possibly CF or a corner OF spot are needed depending on where Hall actually plays, I'd say that a broader scope for returns is very welcomed.

 

Not to mention that we'd have the best rotation in the division by far, and be right up there for the tops in the NL.

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