Brewers talking with Jeff Suppan

[Frisbee Slider]

Everything is cost/benefits. Nobody knows how high our payroll can reach. I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos Villanueva puts up "suppan numbers" this year.

 

When you do your Christmas shopping this year for 25 people...will you spend 25% of your budget on one person...just to make a splash...because with inflation...the price of an "above average gift" will probably never go down?

[dpapo]

Before we just go on the rumor posted on MLB4U, I tried to check the NYPost online to see if I could find the article the information came from and couldn't seem to find it. Doesn't mean it didn't come from there, just couldn't seem to find it the first time I looked.

Also, the link that MLB4U left was for a story about Suppan from October 31st that was a different story than the information they attributed their information coming from.

Also, even if they did take the information from the NYPost, it seems they speculated that the offer could have come from the Brewers.

Once again, doesn't mean that the information may not be correct, but I'm going to wait till I see another source about it.

[Ennder]

If history repeats itself they won't go up next year and the marginal player contracts may even go down a little. It really depends on the people on the market though.

[dpapo]

We sure are starved for some Brewer news when we have 21 pages and at this point 402 replies about a 3/4 pitcher who Melvin may not even end up offering a contract to. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Frisbee Slider]

Agent Says Pirates among top suitors for Suppan - 12/20/06

 

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The Pirates are projected to have roughly $13 million in leftover money for their self-imposed payroll limit of $50 million-plus for 2007, and they have yet to make a significant player acquisition this offseason.

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This seems like a horrible reason to go after Suppan.

[Never Outhustled]

If history repeats itself they won't go up next year and the marginal player contracts may even go down a little. It really depends on the people on the market though.

 

When in history did this even happen when there was labor peace? Are you expecting a sudden drop in MLB revenue? Based on early Brewer ticket sales, the brewers revenue will continue to increase. I would think the will be the case in other cities too, as most teams have created more buzz than the Brewers this offseason.

[Frisbee Slider]

Winning = permanent buzz.

Overpaying free agents = temporary buzz.

Losing if overpaid free agent doesn't produce to his contract = loss of buzz.

[Frisbee Slider]

The Team With the Highest Median Salary in MLB

 

2006: Boston Red Sox - $ 3,023,894

2005: New York Yankees - $ 5,833,334

2004: New York Yankees - $ 3,100,000

2003: New York Yankees - $ 4,575,000

2002: Seattle Mariners - $ 3,333,333

 

According to USA Today, the highest level median salaries have gone down since 2002...FWIW.

 

By comparison:

 

2006: Milwaukee Brewers - $775,000

2005: Milwaukee Brewers - $420,000

2004: Milwaukee Brewers - $400,000

2003: Milwaukee Brewers - $428,000

2002: Milwaukee Brewers - $1,100,000

 

 

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[endaround]

Salaries will go up, but the quality of player will go up more. Houston won't have $50 million in expiring contracts next year. Washington won't be handing every team an extra $10 million next year.

 

Signing Suppan will be the only big move the Brewers would be able to make for 2-3 years. And anyone who says we can easily trade Suppan in two years should take a look at the Brewers current outfield situation.

[brewmann04]

I guess if Suppan wants to Pitch for the Pirates he should take their offer.

[Frisbee Slider]

If history repeats itself they won't go up next year and the marginal player contracts may even go down a little. It really depends on the people on the market though.

 

In 2004, the average salary dropped 3%.

 

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"I think if you go back in history, the year following any type of a new labor agreement being put in place, there's always a market correction," said Yankees first baseman Tony Clark, a member of the union's negotiating committee.

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The number of players making $1 million, which had been 425 in 2001, dropped for the third straight year, to 374. The median salary -- the point at which an equal amount of players is above and below -- remained at $800,000, below the 2001 high of $975,000

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I guess it is possible for a "market correction" next offseason.

[Never Outhustled]

I guess it is possible for a "market correction" next offseason.

 

I disagree, because I don't view this as a new labor agreement, but the same labor agreement extended.

[Never Outhustled]

And anyone who says we can easily trade Suppan in two years should take a look at the Brewers current outfield situation.

 

Do you think if the Brewers were not asking for a major league starting pitcher Mench and Jenkins would be dealt already? I do. If the team was just looking to move salary to re-sign young players those guys would be gone, and the same is the case for Suppan in 2-3 years, if he even gets a 4 year deal.

[endaround]

No I don't think thats the reason they weren't dealt. And its not just Mench and Jenkins but also Clark. The Phillies have been looking for just salary relief and can't dump Burrell.

[Roscoe Chill]

But would Clark have been dumped if he had any value at his salary whatsoever?

 

Would Burrell have been dumped if the Phillies had more than 5 or 6 teams that they could trade him to?

[Big Reed]

you know times are getting desparate when washburn- despite his mediocre 2006 performance is starting to look like he might have been a great addition for the money he asked for.

[patrickgpe]

this thread is starting to get out of control, and it looks like that Suppan is going to be waiting awhile to sign, so it looks like it will keep on growing. 20000+ hits so far, that is impressive.

[AJAY]

This CNNSI article seems to suggest that the bidding for Suppan will intensify and more teams may jump in to the mix once Barry Zito is off the market.

 

sportsillustrated.cnn.com...index.html

[dadofandrew]

First of all, while "median salary" is down, total payroll is up about 30-50% since '02. Teams are using low salary, low experience guys more instead of higher priced vets. This is probably why MIL is now able to compete with other teams for "elite" utility players.

[endaround]

Woohoo! Thank god we are able to afford Counsell!

[Big Reed]

watchout endaround- you're starting to become sarcastic and sinacle .

 

Like ME !!!!

 

the nex t thin g you know you'll start leaving spaces inbtewee n the letters you type.

[Oldcity]

Endaround, there's one difference between Suppan and the players you've mentioned like Jenkins, Mench and Burrell. There are always teams in a playoff race that are looking to add a healthy arm. Hitters are more difficult to trade. I don't buy that if in a year or two the Brewers are looking to shed his contract that they won't be able to spin him off at the deadline to a contender with some injuries to a pitching staff.

[endaround]

One name:Mike Hampton

 

Suppan will likely post around 5 ERA in Milwaukee. I'm not sure why teams will be dying to take on a 33 year old guy at $11 million for two years who has had one good season in his career.

[barbados73]

I sorry if this has already been covered, but it seems like it would be better for the Brewers to try to trade for Brad Penny at the 10-12 million a year he is making than pay the same for Jeff Suppan. Maybe I am off here but Penny is far and away better than Suppan in my mind.

[Never Outhustled]

I sorry if this has already been covered, but it seems like it would be better for the Brewers to try to trade for Brad Penny at the 10-12 million a year he is making than pay the same for Jeff Suppan. Maybe I am off here but Penny is far and away better than Suppan in my mind.

 

Sure Penny is a little better, (though Suppan was better the last 2 seasons) But he's not a FA. I'm not sure if I want to give up quality players to get Penny, because he might be slightly better.