Theoretical Ben Sheets Trade: Would You Accept It?

[strawbossisevil]

Just thought I'd throw out a trade situation for some discussion. This isn't based on any actual trade proposal, as far as I know.

 

Brewers offer:

Ben Sheets

Tony Graffaino

 

Yankees Offer:

Robinson Cano (moving Weeks to CF)

Philip Hughes

Mid Level Minor League Prospect

 

Would you accept such a deal? Why or why not?

[sbrylski]

No. I truely believe Ben Sheets is a top 5 pitcher in the bigs when healthy. Even with his spotty PT the last two years, when he was on the mound he has the stats. (Not necessarily the ERA, but that would even out with more innings.)

 

Its a gamble to assume he's coming back healthy though.

[dadofandrew]

Philip Hughes might develop into Ben Sheets, or he might not. I wouldn't dream of it.

[jackalope02ca]

I only consider this if it's the year 2010.

 

We really are starting to get the basis of a team that could win a championship in 2-3 years or at the very least should seriously contend. Give Prince, Ricky Braun, JJ, Hart, Yo and Villaneuva a couple of years to develop and get more comfortable in their roles and watch out. Seriously name a team with more exciting top level prospects and young players that are actually developing and becoming more than just prospects.

[Oldcity]

No. Hughes is unproven in the majors, so that's way too risky of a trade.

[Dollarbill13]

Agree with everyone who says no. I believe if we are to have a shot at the playoffs for the next couple years, Ben Sheets will be the guy who we will have to ride there.

[bwi]

Not a chance.

[trwi7]

No way.

[UWRyan428]

If any NY team were to make a prospect proposal worthy of the Brewers' time for Ben Sheets, it would be a Mets proposal of Milledge/Humber/Pelfrey. Then, we're talking. Hughes is a product of the NY hype. Robinson Cano wouldn't have the luxury of A-Rod/Jeter/Giambi/Godzilla/Damon to protect him. No dice.

[jas33jas]

Not a chance.

 

Hughes is by no means a product of the NY system. They have had a pretty barren system for a while anyways. Also, he is seen by many as the best pitching prospect in baseball. That said, if he reaches his ceiling in a few years, he will be as good as Sheets. There is no point to this trade and no way it would even be considered.

[RobertR]

Even if I though Hughes will be as good as Sheets in a few years, it makes no sense. The Brewers window of opportunity for competing for the post season is open now and Ben Sheets is the key player on the Brewers in making a run.

 

The Brewers have to keep their eye on maximizing their chances now, not 3 years from now. Even if it was advantage Brewers in talent, which I don't believe it is, the timing for the deal is all wrong.

 

Robert

[hauser42]

Too much egg nog if you think this is a fair deal.

[Invader3K]

I like Cano, but I feel this would leave too big a hole in the starting rotation. I'd say "pass, but call again next off season."

[strawbossisevil]

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Too much egg nog if you think this is a fair deal.

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Yeah, because .890 OPS 2nd basemen (who are only 24) (and

have a .984 Fielding Percentage) grow on trees, what was I thinking?! And to include the top pitching prospect in all of baseball along with him. And another midlevel prospect on top of that. Yikes, those Yankees are getting a steal here!

 

The trade would fill out our lineup nicely: (And we'd have control of Cano for 4 more seasons.)

Weeks

Cano

Hall

Fielder

Hart

Koskie

Estrada

Hardy

 

And while our rotation would take a step back (if Sheets has a healthy season), we add to it the league's top pitching prospect (who we'd have under our control for 6 years, instead of 2 years with Sheets)

 

Capuano

Bush

Suppan

Hughes

Villenueva

 

I thought it would be an interesting trade to talk about. I think I agree with the poster who said he'd tell the Yankees to "talk to us next season". But if Hughes goes out and shows he's a top of the rotation pitcher this year and Cano repeats or improves on his offensive numbers, I guess I wouldn't see the Yankees as being willing to make this kind of trade. I guess the big question is whether two years of Sheets is better than 4 years of Cano and 6 years of Hughes (and add to that the players we could sign with the money saved in the deal).

[YostInfection]

There's a part of me that likes the idea of this trade...

 

Who's to say that Sheets will be healthy this year? He hasn't proven it in the last two years, and quite frankly, I'm starting to get nervous about his health. Conversely, who's to say that Hughes will realize his potential and become the stud that everyone is talking about?

 

If you think Hughes can contribute this year (like the Yankees and most pundits do), then you make the trade. As noted above, you get a near .900 OPS from your 2nd baseman (which is exactly why we wanted to leave Weeks where he is), and you get near .900 OPS from you CF. Nice.

 

The biggest bonus in this proposed deal is the $12 million we save in salary that will either a) pay for Suppan's deal or b) be used next year for Hall's extension or to acquire an OF power bat.

 

Tough call, but it's one proposal for Sheets that I think is legit.

[sheetswannabe]

Sheets is a stud when healthy and Hughes hasnt shown us anything, so no.

[UWRyan428]

I have more doubts about Cano than I do about Hughes, and that's saying something. I just can't see us sending Ben to the hell of NY.

[Terok Balefire]

I would take that trade in a heartbeat.

[Dollarbill13]

Cano is a disaster waiting to happen if you are expecting a .900 ops. How many guys can really maintain a .342 average with absolutely no plate discipine?

[strawbossisevil]

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Cano is a disaster waiting to happen if you are expecting a .900 ops. How many guys can really maintain a .342 average with absolutely no plate discipine?

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The guy slugged over .500 as a 23 year old. I think the plate discipline will come, as it does with most players. Its true he probably won't maintain that average, but I'd expect his walks and his power to increase as he gets closer to his prime. The guy also is very good at putting the ball into play (one of the reasons for his high average) as he only struck out about 1/10 of the time in about 500 ABs. He's going to be an absolute stud at 2nd base. You honestly don't expect him to improve on his 23 year old season?

[rluzinski]

No thanks. Sheets is just too valuable and is cheap for 2 more years.

[Big Reed]

I like the offer, however .....

 

many people forget Weeks was playing some mighty fine defense for more than a month before he injured himself. I would guess the desire for Cano is because you have lost faith in Weeks as a second baseman. if Weeks can play second base like he did that last month, the brewers don't really have a need for another second baseman- or a need to move Weeks to CF.

 

on the other hand, it would be to see weeks play an entire year without being injured. I worry more about his injury history than his fielding skills.

 

I think Cano's stats are chiefly a result of batting in the Yankees' lineup.

[Dollarbill13]

You honestly don't expect him to improve on his 23 year old season?

 

Honestly I don't expect him to improve on his 23 year old season. While he may improve slightly in his plate discipline, I wouldn't expect anything better than a .290-.300 average. With that average, you probably would be looking at a .330-.340 and a .460 SLG, even with a modest increase in plate discipline.

[hauser42]

But if Hughes goes out and shows he's a top of the rotation pitcher this year and Cano repeats or improves on his offensive numbers, I guess I wouldn't see the Yankees as being willing to make this kind of trade. I guess the big question is whether two years of Sheets is better than 4 years of Cano and 6 years of Hughes (and add to that the players we could sign with the money saved in the deal).

 

Why do we only get Sheets for 2 years?? You are assuming that the Brewers will not resign Sheets. Brewers showed something last weekend that they will be spending money if they believe the player is worth it. Sheets stays healthy and pitches like his talent is I do not see them letting him get out the door.

 

Cano had a great year no issue with it, but he is not as good as his numbers were. He is in a great lineup and that pumps up his numbers, he would not see as good as pitches or as number of baserunners on in Milwaukee.

 

Hughes to me seems like a player that could be part of the media machine frenzy that comes with a lot of Yankee prospects and fail when they get to the big leagues. He has proven nothing in the majors yet, so I don't see the reason for giving up one of our top pitchers for him.

 

I stick by the egg nog statement.

[strawbossisevil]

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Why do we only get Sheets for 2 years?? You are assuming that the Brewers will not resign Sheets. Brewers showed something last weekend that they will be spending money if they believe the player is worth it. Sheets stays healthy and pitches like his talent is I do not see them letting him get out the door.

 

Cano had a great year no issue with it, but he is not as good as his numbers were. He is in a great lineup and that pumps up his numbers, he would not see as good as pitches or as number of baserunners on in Milwaukee.

 

Hughes to me seems like a player that could be part of the media machine frenzy that comes with a lot of Yankee prospects and fail when they get to the big leagues. He has proven nothing in the majors yet, so I don't see the reason for giving up one of our top pitchers for him.

 

I stick by the egg nog statement.

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You would stick with that elitist statement. I'd expect nothing less from you. I wasn't saying we should make this trade, I was putting it up for discussion. For fun. Not so I could have elitist jerks go running about how drunk I have to be in order to make such a post.

 

Yeah, your right, the Yankees system really has produced some serious duds. Who would ever want that Jeter guy, or Soriano, or Cano, or Williams etc. I understand, all their top prospects never amount to anything.

 

And as far as saying Cano is not as good as his numbers, can you actually prove that? Does being in a star studded lineup automatically make a mediocre player put up superstar level numbers. The burden of proof is on you to prove that he is just a mediocre player, and so far I've seen nothing to disprove the fact that the guy hit .340 and slugged over .500 as a 23 year old in the middle of the New York media circus. But pitchers must not be throwing their best pitches to him, they must be lobbing the ball to the plate because they are afraid of the rest of the Yankee lineup.

 

I don't believe we will be able to resign Benny. In today's market he is going to probably bring in a 100 Million dollar contract. That's something the Brewers can't afford. So that's why I see us only having two more years with Sheeter.

 

Talent wise, there isn't that wide of a gap between the two teams in this trade. If you have read the posts in the thread, while most would turn this offer down, there are some who said they would accept it. Are you calling them drunk too?

 

So until you come up with some actual facts to prove that Cano and Hughes are trash and that their numbers are just all smoke and mirrors, you can just take all your elitist egg nog comments and shove it.