Freddy Sanchez

[tony2sweet]

What would it take for the Pirates to move Freddy Sanchez. He seems like a good fit for the Brewers at 2B or 3B. Right now the Pirates seem to be open to trade just about anybody. Maybe they would ask for the moon. I don't know, probably just a shot in the dark. What do you think?

 

Angel Salome and Hernan Iribarren

 

for

 

Freddy Sanchez

[brewdude15]

I don't know why they'd have interest in Salome when they've already got Doumit.

[naivin]

It would be an unbelievable move for the Brewers, but Bill Hall's contract would likely prevent it. I just don't see anyway they can make any significant moves on the infield unless they are willing to just eat that thing. Too bad too. Heck, Macha even chuckled during the pre-game last night when he referred to Counsell as their "typical lead off hitter."

[TheCrew]

Pirates seem like they are desperate to move just to dump his contract..... $8 mil next season. (if he hits 600 plate appearances)

 

Would be tough to swallow that salary next season and it'd create a logjam at 2b with weeks coming back....... (he has played some 3b and SS in the past) but he'd be a great fit this season.

[804Sox]

What would it take for the Pirates to move Freddy Sanchez. He seems like a good fit for the Brewers at 2B or 3B. Right now the Pirates seem to be open to trade just about anybody. Maybe they would ask for the moon. I don't know, probably just a shot in the dark. What do you think?

 

Angel Salome and Hernan Iribarren

 

for

 

Freddy Sanchez

That seems like a pretty fair offer for both teams, and would give the Brewers flexibility to trade Escobar and/or Gamel without locking Hardy up long term.

 

The Pirates do have Doumit, but if I'm not mistaken, evereything that I've read says that his work behind the plate (defensively) leaves much to be desired. Unfortunately, his bat really plays up nicely there, but he can play some OF and 1B too while spelling Salome.

 

Edit: Obviously, though, if you're the Brewers this means you're banking on Lucroy as the catcher of the future. I don't know much about him, but from everything I've seen he's the less highly regarded of the two . . . something to consider when dealing for a slightly overpriced MIF that doesn't hit for much power or do too much on the basepaths.

[jjfanec]

Edit: Obviously, though, if you're the Brewers this means you're banking on Lucroy as the catcher of the future. I don't know much about him, but from everything I've seen he's the less highly regarded of the two . . . something to consider when dealing for a slightly overpriced MIF that doesn't hit for much power or do too much on the basepaths.

I would actually say on this board it is pretty split on Salome or Lucroy. Lucroy actually jumped ahead of Salome on the power 50 this board puts out. Lucroy is the better defender of the two by a wide margin. His hitting numbers this year are down but he has a horrendous BAbip and has walked more than he has struck out this year.

I would rather have the Brewers trade Salome, because his defense has been seriously questioned by his own manager in AAA and he does not have a position outside of catcher as he is listed at 5'7.. Although I really do not want to use him to get another infielder because I think with Gamel, Weeks (next year), Hardy, Escobar, McGehee, and Counsell, this year and next we are in good shape. We need starting pitching and I think Salome could be the number two guy in a trade for that, or maybe packaged with Hardy to get something pretty darn good this off season.

[endaround]

Salome is way overpaying for a guy the Pirates want to dump at the end of the year for nothing. Iribarren alone should be enough.

[igor67]

Why do we want another second basemen with a solid, but unspectacular bat?

[jjkoestler]

Why do we want another second basemen with a solid, but unspectacular bat?

 

 

R: 42

H: 96

TB: 145

2B: 25

HR: 6

RBI: 33

BB: 18

SO: 45

SB: 5

AVG: .316

OBP: .355

SLG: .477

OPS: .832

 

I'd say these numbers are more than solid for a guy playing on a good team. They are spectacular for a guy playing on Pittsburgh. I'd love to see him batting #2 for the Crew this year and next. edit: format

[igor67]

That's also not that much different than what Casey is giving us, and well above his last two seasons. This year represents him maxing out his talent, not what you could really expect him to give us the rest of the way or next year. Now as a challenge trade if you could find a RF to swap with Hart that could give you that it's an interesting proposition.

[paulmolitor4]

Now as a challenge trade if you could find a RF to swap with Hart that could give you that it's an interesting proposition.

Jermaine Dye please. I would love to see him batting behind Fielder.

[jjfanec]

Now as a challenge trade if you could find a RF to swap with Hart that could give you that it's an interesting proposition.

Jermaine Dye please. I would love to see him batting behind Fielder.

I would love Dye in the Brewers lineup but I think it would be hard for the White Sox to trade them with how well they are doing.

[endaround]

That's also not that much different than what Casey is giving us, and well above his last two seasons. This year represents him maxing out his talent, not what you could really expect him to give us the rest of the way or next year. Now as a challenge trade if you could find a RF to swap with Hart that could give you that it's an interesting proposition.

 

Of course Hart's been good since his terrible May (.278/.363/.481 over the last month) so who knows whats going on there

[TheCrew]

That's also not that much different than what Casey is giving us, and well above his last two seasons. This year represents him maxing out his talent, not what you could really expect him to give us the rest of the way or next year. Now as a challenge trade if you could find a RF to swap with Hart that could give you that it's an interesting proposition.

Casey is a pretty small sample size - I love what I've seen from him, but I'm not exactly expecting him to keep it up all season. You could count on Sanchez for above average production for the entire season (as for Sanchez "maxing out his talent" - not even close, that was 2006 when he hit .344) the guy is a career .300 hitter....... he would be a perfect fit in the 2 hole.

[TheCrew]

Dye is owed quite a bit of money yet this season - close to $6 million - from what I could find, next season is a mutual option for $12 million...... and he has a limited no trade clause.

[endaround]

Sanchez Zips' for the rest of the season: .296/.336/.421. The Brewers can match that internally rather easily (Heether for example). The Brewers need something more than just average to good to make a real dent over half of a season when it comes to putting in position players except at catcher and nothing going to change there.

[TheCrew]

I think those numbers would change just a bit when you go from LaRoche and whoever else the pirates throw out there to Braun and Fielder hitting behind him.

 

Remind me again what Heether has done at the ML level?

[nate82]

That seems like a pretty fair offer for both teams

 

Edit: Obviously, though, if you're the Brewers this means you're banking on Lucroy as the catcher of the future. I don't know much about him, but from everything I've seen he's the less highly regarded of the two . . . something to consider when dealing for a slightly overpriced MIF that doesn't hit for much power or do too much on the basepaths.

That is not a fair deal at all. Salome and Iribarren for Sanchez? No that is not a fair deal at all. Sanchez is nothing special and Iribarren should be enough to get him Salome wouldn't be needed in order to get someone the Pirates are trying to dump.

 

Salome is not the best catcher in the Brewers system. Lucroy is better defensively and by a wide wide wide margin. Offensively Lucroy is closing the gap between him and Salome. Lucroy is the best catcher in the Brewers system and if Salome can't hack it at catcher the only other position he could play is DH and since there is no DH in the NL he would have to be traded to an AL team which would limit his value. Salome is not the best catching prospect in the Brewers organization. I would put Salome as the 3rd best catching prospect in the Brewers system.

[igor67]

Career totals for Sanchez .302/.338/.424. Again those aren't bad for a second basemen, but he's not a clear upgrade over Casey or what you would expect out of Heether. The .300 hitter part is just for show. He's essentially an established version of the Hurricane at his ceiling. There's probably a 50-60% chance that Sanchez hits better than Casey over the rest of the season, which also means there's a 40-50% chance he hits worse with most outcomes being a close call. You have to think about players not just being their current stat lines or their career stat lines, but also their performance variance and Sanchez's are pretty big (190 OPS points best to worst season all in the last 3 years!).

 

On Dye that would be a very interesting stone cold win now move. Stack Gamel in the two spot and Dye 5th. They would score some serious runs.

[804Sox]

That is not a fair deal at all. Salome and Iribarren for Sanchez? No that is not a fair deal at all. Sanchez is nothing special and Iribarren should be enough to get him Salome wouldn't be needed in order to get someone the Pirates are trying to dump.

 

Salome is not the best catcher in the Brewers system. Lucroy is better defensively and by a wide wide wide margin. Offensively Lucroy is closing the gap between him and Salome. Lucroy is the best catcher in the Brewers system and if Salome can't hack it at catcher the only other position he could play is DH and since there is no DH in the NL he would have to be traded to an AL team which would limit his value. Salome is not the best catching prospect in the Brewers organization. I would put Salome as the 3rd best catching prospect in the Brewers system.

My bad on Salome. I wasn't aware of Salome's glaring defensive deficiencies or the fact that Lucroy had closed the gap and even overtaken Salome in most people's eyes.

 

However, if that is the case, then I am even more sure that Salome is fair value for Sanchez. Sanchez doesn't get on base at a great clip, but sprays doubles all over the park and is one of the best contact hitters in baseball - a perfect fit for the 2-hole. Seems like Salome isn't much of a prospect if he can't stick at catcher, as his bat wouldn't play up much at 1B

[endaround]

Salome is a big time power threat at catcher while the Pirates want Sanchez gone for nothing. In no way does a salary dump of an average 2B get a top prospect. Salome is starting to adjust to AAA pitching, over the last month his line is 0.338/0.380/0.595.

[804Sox]

Alright. you guys know Salome better than I do, so I'll take your word for it.

[TooLiveBrew]

If Salome were regarded defensively as well as Lucroy is, he'd probably be our top prospect by quite a bit.