Brewers interested in Willy Taveras?

[yogallardo43]

The Rockies are apprently actively shopping the newly acquired CF and the Brewers and Cubs are the top teams that are interested. I don't know if I want a guy that consistently gets on base only 33% of the time, although Juan Pierre got 9 mil a year for very similar stats.

 

Edit: added "?" to thread title. --1992casey

[UWRyan428]

I would imagine it is more a reflection of Doug Melvin's yearning for speed. Taveras may have a bevy of it, but his numbers turn me off like a field trip to Curves. I'll pass.

[endaround]

Taveras in Coors makes sense. Taveras in LA makes some sense. Unless Miller is going to add another 50 feet in CF, Tavereas in Milwaukee makes no sense.

[Oldcity]

What is with our sudden obsession with overvalued, no-hit center fielders?

[Mass Haas]

Link? It's not in the Denver papers...

[splitterpfj]

I can't find it either, where did you hear that Yo?

[brettac1]

Very discouraging.

[dadofandrew]

If indeed there is interest, it would seemingly again show Doug wants to improve his OF defense and is willing to trade off some offense to do so.

 

All his moves thus far would indicate Doug's goal this offseason has been to improve his pitching and defense.

[Gone]

I don't buy this "rumor". Why would Colorado now turn around and trade Tavaras? Weren't they looking at CF options all offseason (including possibly dealing for B. Clark)?

 

IMO Tavaras isn't going anywhere.

[endaround]

Except for the move where his defense at catcher went down and his pitching got worse. You know the actual move he made outside of signing a back up SS

[AJAY]

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If indeed there is interest, it would seemingly again show Doug wants to improve his OF defense and is willing to trade off some offense to do so.

 

All his moves thus far would indicate Doug's goal this offseason has been to improve his pitching and defense.

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In your opinion, do you agree with this goal? I know they say that pitching and defense win championships, but how much offense can you sacrifice?

[PeaveyFury]

Except for the move where his defense at catcher went down and his pitching got worse.

 

Except that the bullpen actually got better, the rotation got no worse at all if Davis doesn't rebound, and the fact that Estrada is better defensively than Rivera.

 

Otherwise, you're right on. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/eyes.gif

 

With nothing out there reporting this 'rumor', I'm thinking this isn't more than speculation on someone's part.

[RockCoCougars]

Once again, pass. As each day goes by, I'm getting more and more afraid that Melvin is going to make a move for the sake of making a move.

 

What's the point of Taveras? Gwynn is the same player.

 

This "shopping list", if true (Suppan, Crisp, Taveras, etc.) is scary. Did Melvin find Dean Taylor's list circa 2000?

 

I saw a thread in the ML forum that has been locked. It's title should be words to live by for Melvin....."Don't overpay for mediocrity".

[PeaveyFury]

This "shopping list", if true (Suppan, Crisp, Taveras, etc.) is scary.

 

As of now, Crisp and Taveras have only been mentioned on this board as potential targets, and nothing has been mentioned in the media.

 

Suppan is the only one that Melvin has actually mentioned.

[DHonks]

Except for the move where his defense at catcher went down

 

Except for years Estrada was known as a defensive catcher, hence why the Braves traded for him from the Phillies. The Dbacks traded for him more because he'd had success both offensively and defensively, and they wanted a bridge to let Snyder, Montero, Avlas, etc have the time necessary to be ready for a big league job.

[brarian]

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Why would Colorado now turn around and trade Tavaras? Weren't they looking at CF options all offseason (including possibly dealing for B. Clark)?

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Yesterday the Denver Post wrote that Taveras might be going elsewhere:

 

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"Taveras, who batted .278 and stole 33 bases last season, gives the Rockies much-needed speed in the outfield and on the basepaths. However, Taveras doesn't hit for power, swatting just one homer last season. If the right deal pops up, Taveras could be part of it."

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Nothing in the article mentions the Brewers or Cubs.

 

The Rocky Mountain News reported that the Rockies might go after Rocco Baldelli, as has been reported throughout the offseason.

 

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Rocco Baldelli has been a primary target for the Rockies from the start of the offseason, but the Devil Rays would want two quality arms and a shortstop to give up the run-producing center fielder.

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Would the Devil Rays even want to move Baldelli and would Taveras be part of that?

 

Purple Row, by the way, gives Brewerfan some nice props for its draft discussion.

[deeswan]

I wonder if this is just an extension of the supposed Brewers/Rockies trade talks that happened earlier this month. My guess is that someone is speculating based on previous news. The Rockies are likely not actively shopping Taveras, but will listen to offers and then give Clint Barmes a shot in CF.

[sbrylski]

If this is true, I'm going to have to buy one of these:

 

http://www.corporatedump.com/images/stressred.gif

[Roscoe Chill]

I agree with endaround.

 

Greg Aquino isn't a lock to make the team in my opinion. And unless you really think Claudio Vargas' best year of his career and Doug Davis' worst year since joining the Brewers is the norm, I really can't see where the Brewers improved their pitching as of right now.

 

I think the Brewers took a step down, yes I said a step down, from Davis to Vargas because of the inevitable departure of Davis after 2007. That's all fine and dandy, but that's not improvement.

[PeaveyFury]

Greg Aquino isn't a lock to make the team in my opinion.

 

I'm not sure how a guy who put up a 4.47 ERA in the 4th best hitters park in baseball isn't an upgrade to what we had in our bullpen last year. Care to provide your reasoning for thinking that he won't even make the team?

 

And unless you really think Claudio Vargas' best year of his career and Doug Davis' worst year since joining the Brewers is the norm, I really can't see where the Brewers improved their pitching as of right now.

 

Davis has been regressing for the last couple of seasons. As it has been mentioned over and over and over and over and over since the trade was made, if Davis bounces back, we took a big step down in the rotation. But if he continues to decline or even pitches at the same level he did last year, than Vargas is better.

 

And here I thought this was a thread about Willy Taveras.

[Roscoe Chill]

How about a numbers game Peavey?:

 

F. Cordero

D. Turnbow

M. Wise

B. Shouse

J. Capellan

C. Villanueva ?

D. Sarfate ?

G. Aquino ?

 

There's eight pitchers and it's been mentioned by Melvin that they might have to go in the season with only six relievers. You tell me how Greg Aquino is a LOCK to make the team. Sarfate is out of options, and of course Villanueva would probably be the #5 starter, but what if Suppan or someone else is picked up? Every one of those pitchers listed above had better than a 4.47 ERA save Turnbow, and he's not going anywhere if he's not traded due to the money the team will pay him. But unless you're saying keeping Aquino is worth losing Sarfate for nothing, or is viewed as better than Capellan, for the life of me, I can't figure out how he will definitely be a member of the Brewers next year. And that's not even taking the possibility the Brewers might find pick up another reliever or two before the season starts.

 

As far as Taveras goes, just the reported interest by Melvin is both frustrating and puzzling to say the least.

[RyDogg66]

Greg Aquino - the next Mike Matthews?

 

Anyway, remember the last WINNING Brewers team? Yeah, the one with 256 SBs, outstanding defense and great pitching? Now, Im not a Taveras fan, but if there is ONE thing that this club does need it is help on Defense.

 

The one thing that is nice about defense is that it actually can make our pitching appear to better.

 

One final thought....how many OFs would we have now? 7?? Yikes.

[trwi7]

If Melvin wants improved defense then why isn't he talking about moving Weeks to the outfield and Hall to 2B?

[PeaveyFury]

You tell me how Greg Aquino is a LOCK to make the team.

 

Sure. Villanueva is either in the rotation or in AAA. I'd call that a lock.

 

That leaves 7 pitchers there, all of whom make the team if they do take 12 pitchers.

 

I'd frankly be shocked if they took only 11 pitchers, but if they do and all those players are still healthy/on the roster, Aquino makes the team over Sarfate. The organization and coaches don't seem sold on him.

 

That said, he will make the team because at least one of those guys will be hurt in coming out of the gates. So as the team stands now, Aquino is essentially a lock.

 

Every one of those pitchers listed above had better than a 4.47 ERA save Turnbow

 

Adjusted for the fact that Miller plays neutral while Chase is a top hitters park, Aquino had a better 2006 season than Turnbow, Capellan, and Sarfate's limited innings from that list.

 

And that's not even taking the possibility the Brewers might find pick up another reliever or two before the season starts.

 

I think that's quite a possibility, which is why I said that my feeling Aquino is a lock is based on the current team. I'm also not convinced that we won't see Turnbow moved at some point in the offseason either.

 

As far as Taveras goes, just the reported interest by Melvin is both frustrating and puzzling to say the least.

 

As of yet, nothing has been reported other than one person's post on this message board. No link or story can be found to confirm anything regarding an interest by the Brewers in Taveras. Considering that the Brewers already have 6+ OF's for the 25-man roster, this 'rumor' makes very little sense.

[RyDogg66]

Weeks improvement in defense the month or so before he got hurt?

 

I dont know. All I am saying is that improving the defense isnt the worst thing in the world, especially at a low cost and/or getting rod of Clark.