2009-06-16 Brewers (Gallardo) at Indians (Sowers): 6:05 PM CT [Brewers win, 7-5]

[moofnelson]

It wasn't a tough play at all. The ball was hit right to him. If he wouldn't have bobbled it, it would have been an easy double play.

Especially considering it was Hafner running.

Wouldn't even had been an issue if Gallardo didn't suffer from Manny Parra syndrome after giving up th HR! No excuse for all the walks...

The home plate umpire isn't helping much.

 

I don't have the same confidence in the offense tonight like I did last night.

[moofnelson]

Make up your mind Schroeder. Either the ball is carrying well or it isn't. Sheesh.

[brewcrew7]

What does one have to do with another? If Bill Hall who is virtually useless with a bat in his hand picked up the rolling ball that was hit right to him and through it to second base without bobbling it, it's a double play. Can't that idea stand on it's own?

 

Well it wasnt an easy play and the ball was hit a little harder than 'rolling' and that is why you don't assume the double play. He happened to bobble the ball and if Gallardo didnt walk to bases loaded the point is moot. People like to blame different players at different points of the year for whatever happens. Billy has been kicked enough. Get over it. We need to pitch better.

[phxMILWfan]

What does one have to do with another? If Bill Hall who is virtually useless with a bat in his hand picked up the rolling ball that was hit right to him and through it to second base without bobbling it, it's a double play. Can't that idea stand on it's own?

 

Well it wasnt an easy play and the ball was hit a little harder than 'rolling' and that is why you don't assume the double play. He happened to bobble the ball and if Gallardo didnt walk to bases loaded the point is moot. People like to blame different players at different points of the year for whatever happens. Billy has been kicked enough. Get over it. We need to pitch better.

I tend to be more tolerant of a player who usually performs well than a player who surprises you with good play.

[pretendastronaut]

Yo's early and high pitch counts lately are not faith building. 84 pitches through three innings. Amazing.

[bobskube]

Hall signing looking to be the worst in team history.

 

The reason being is that the team was good after his signing even though he has hurt the team. Teddy Higuera and Jeffrey Hammonds were not nearly as bad due to the teams just not being good.

[Glennron]

Great hit, terrible camerawork

[UeckerAddict]

Hall signing looking to be the worst in team history.

 

The reason being is that the team was good after his signing even though he has hurt the team. Teddy Higuera and Jeffrey Hammonds were not nearly as bad due to the teams just not being good.

Can't say I agree with the Higuera part. He missed the entire 1992 season with injuries as the Brewers went 92-70; a record the Brewers have not reached since- even last year. The Brewers had some good teams in the late eighties as well.

 

The worst signing in Brewer history, in my humble opinion, will always be Mr. Franklin Stubbs.

[Tailgat0r76]

Pleeeasseeee Bill, just do what you did last AB

 

Edit: Atta boy Billy

[TauPentaRei]

way to go Billy! way to go!

 

all i kept thinking was: just strike out. please just strike out. the bar is set pretty low, eh?

 

listening to the radio, I could only wince at every *crack* of the bat... that wound up being foul.

 

way to go Billy.

[lbb020]

After somehow swinging through the 89mph fastballs down the middle, that was the best AB I have seen Hall have in a very long time.

[brewcrew7]

Well it wasnt an easy play and the ball was hit a little harder than 'rolling' and that is why you don't assume the double play. He happened to bobble the ball and if Gallardo didnt walk to bases loaded the point is moot. People like to blame different players at different points of the year for whatever happens. Billy has been kicked enough. Get over it. We need to pitch better.

 

 

I tend to be more tolerant of a player who usually performs well than a player who surprises you with good play.

Ok this is the problem with this comment and how people just hate on the same guy whether it is their fault or not. Billy is great in the field so I am not sure why you would be surprised by a good play ever with him.

[Tailgat0r76]

Hall make some phenomenal plays out in the field; but he's also good for a few bone-headed plays every once in a while. I'm not ready to say he's "great" in the field. He's a slightly above-average fielder with a knack for the spectacular.

[phxMILWfan]

Look I don't want to spend all night on this. Is it not fairly common knowledge that Bill Hall is a poor player overall? Gallardo is the ace of the staff, he's young, and the team wants to extend him. Hall on the other hand is overpaid, isn't producing, and I'm sure management is looking forward to the day he is off the books. I know you can't assume the double play. I'm sure if we look back at other In-Game Threads there have been innings where the pitcher had several walks or just wasn't pitching well and Prince or Rickie made an error. I don't recall too many people defending them with the same enthusiasm I've seen in the defense of Hall tonight. That is all. You're welcome to your opinion. I'll read it and consider it but I just don't have the energy to debate Bill Hall's playing ability vs a bad inning for Gallardo.

[TheCrew07]

I don't like Yo coming out for the 5th, I know the bullpen is gassed, but can we really continue push our best young pitcher (who didn't hardly pitch in 2008) over 100 pitches every outing?

[sargennm]

Is it OK to feel like Hart has turned it back around now?

[derflotr]

Yovani's been rather erratic in his past few starts (even that start against Atlanta I didn't feel like he was all there), but you have to give him credit for limiting the damage. He leaves the game tonight with the lead, nicely done.

[crewcrazy]

Well he did have a relatively easy 4th inning, so I didn't mind him coming back out. Keeping him out there in order to get a win once he got into trouble seemed kind of silly to me, but at least there didn't seem to be any negative consequences this time out. I do agree that these outings are starting to take a toll on him...he's just looked really tired in the past few outings, and he hasn't been able to hit the corners as well as he's capable of as a result. He's definitely starting to look like he could use an off day.

[phxMILWfan]

That suffocating feeling this team gives you when Hart and Hardy aren't hitting is finally starting to go away.

[bobskube]

Hall signing looking to be the worst in team history.

 

The reason being is that the team was good after his signing even though he has hurt the team. Teddy Higuera and Jeffrey Hammonds were not nearly as bad due to the teams just not being good.

Can't say I agree with the Higuera part. He missed the entire 1992 season with injuries as the Brewers went 92-70; a record the Brewers have not reached since- even last year. The Brewers had some good teams in the late eighties as well.

 

The worst signing in Brewer history, in my humble opinion, will always be Mr. Franklin Stubbs.

Yes, he was bad. However, Stubbs OPS was .655 with Brewers in 650 abs. Hall's OPS the last two years is .664.

 

Both bad, but Hall is worse because he was given a longer deal and has for the most part not been a platoon player like Stubbs was until recently.

[UeckerAddict]

Hall's contract was bigger, but consider the inflation. The Brewers' payroll in 1991 was $24 million; today we are over $80 million.

[phxMILWfan]

Can we all agree that Hall's contract for his production is atleast one of the 3 worst in team history?

[crewcrazy]

I've always considered the Hammonds deal worse, because the Brewers paid him more to begin with and barely got him on the field. The Hall deal looks bad now, but at least he's on the field and has some redeeming qualities hitting against LHP. I'd rather the Brewers never paid either of them, but I'll take the guy making $8 million to hit lefties and play utility defense over the guy being paid $8 million to sit on the DL (and yeah, I know Hall doesn't make $8 million until next year according to Cot's).

 

Edit: The contract for production question is interesting...I'd say paying $10 million for Gagne's production last year was probably in the top three, but at least it was only a one-year deal. If you're taking it on a single-year basis, I think Gagne beats out Hall. Long-term, there's no doubt Hall's deal looks worse, though.

[UeckerAddict]

Off the top of my head, I would have to say yes.

[phxMILWfan]

I like that people can sponsor pages on baseball-reference.com Apparently Tom Booth has decided to spend the 50 bucks to sponsor Franklin Stubbs page. Interesting choice of spending. This may be for another thread but I'm interested in who everyone on here would choose to sponsor. I'd take Branyan in a heart beat.