Not real - Jenks for Quinlan?

[aracko]

Quinlin can clearly hit - if Koskie isnt ready he would be on the field quite often.

 

He could back up Prince should he go down or need a day off. He also can play a corner OF spot.

 

For the Angels - with Riveria breaking his leg and not expected to be ready for Spring I think they could use a guy like Jenks who plays solid D, is a left handed hitter, and a veteran bat.

 

Quinlan just signed 2 years 1.8 Million and isnt expected to see more than 240 Abs so I would expect htat he is expendable - especially with the deep Angels farm system.

 

Thoughts?

[dadofandrew]

Quinlan deserves better, that's for sure. I don't think the Angels thought much of him, and he had to prove himself at every level. Not sure of any interest in Jenkins, however.

 

Doug may well look for a Quinlan "type" if Koskie cannot go, an extra utility player who can hit a bit.

[TooLiveBrew]

aracko, that's a great trade. I can only hope the Angels would indeed have some interest in Jenks. And while they clearly have a need in the OF, I'm not sure if Jenks would get much done. He'd be awfully expensive as a 4th OF, and incredibly similar to current Halo Garret Anderson.

 

Anderson's good against RHP, and has posted a .696 OPS v. LHP from 2004-2006. He's also incredibly expensive -- think of him as a rich man's Jenkins. He is still owed:

 

2007: $11 mil

2008: $12 mil

2009: $14 mil (club option, $3 mil. buyout)

 

 

I think your trade works for us, aracko, but probably not for the Angels. From their perspective, Quinlan is a cheap 4th OF option, and is the guy we would love to have in Gross's role --- only in that he crushes LHPing, which is the perfect complement to Anderson (or Jenks!)

 

I just don't see the Angels biting on this one, but I love the creativity. Quinlan is certainly not a guy I'd considered

[sbrylski]

I would really like that, good idea.

 

Only negative with Quinlan is that he doesn't walk much. But he would be a very good stop gap in the event Koskie can't go and then an excellent contact hitter off the bench or even platoon mate with Gross in LF the following year.

[JohnBriggs12]

Sorry aracko but you can't take total credit for that idea.

 

On 11/22/06, in a thread entitled "does the Angels signing Matthews make Figgins expendable" I posted the following:

 

"Robb Quinlan is another Angel worth inquiring about as a platoon guy in LF or 3B. His splits vs. lefties are quite acceptable .326/.356/.536 in 06."

 

However with the injury to Rivera, Quinlan has more of a defined role and they don't need a left handed bat with Anderson, Matthews and Figgins all able to hit from that side.

 

That would have been the time (late November) to pursue Quinlan. Had he dealt for him, he could have kept Graffy for the middle infield utility role, not had to overpay for Counsell, not had to offer arbitration to Mench, and the roster would be much more clearly set. But remember, back then Melvin was still thinking he'd have Cirillo back and he probably wasn't thinking how useful a guy like Quinlan could be.

[aracko]

I guess I could say great minds think alike but I dont want to put myself in that class.

 

That said - Garrett Anderson is a pretty bad LFer and is quite injury prone himself. Taking him from his DH role and playing him every day in LF is a bad combo. Jenkins is suggested to go to the Angels more for his defense than he is for his offense.

 

I truely think that Jenkins still does fit with the Angels, and that Quinlan is definatly available from the Angels point of view.

[dadofandrew]

I certainly assume Mench would have been offered arby regardless. The only reason you wouldn't is if he had no trade value.

[aracko]

I proposed the same idea on an angels board. This was the most solid response I got. It makes me think that we might also be able to pick up Eric Aybar(defensive wizard) if we were willing to pick up some of Jenks salary.

(granted its just one mans opinion)

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There are probably several posters here who could play the OF as good as Quinlan. He's no corner OFer. And he is barely adequate at 3rdbase.

 

Reality is that Hillenbrand has already been given a whole lot of Quinlan's 2007 AB's. And if either or both of Kotchman/Morales step it up in Spring Training and Rivera comes back, AB's for Q will be even harder to come by than in 2006..

 

Heck, I like Quinlan better than Hillenbrand...but Hillenbrand is here and he is going to play...and he will be at 1b or DH....the same 2 spots that Q needs to get AB's.

 

The Angels are not likely to get more than at most 130 OF starts from eithe Guerrero or GA. And Rivera may or may not be back to health.

 

The Angels need a corner OFer...and a LHed power bat. Jenkins mashes RHers (.871 OPS in 2006, .892 career) the same way Q mashes lefties. GA and Kotchman are the only 2 healthy LHed bats on the wholeAngels 40 man roster!. And Kotchman may not even make the team out of Spring. The Angels need a LHed stick.

 

If Jenkins were in Anaheim, he should be in the line-up (at LF,RF, or DH) every game vs RH starters. This would give him 400+ AB's. And his .871 OPS against RHers exceeds any Angels 2006 OPS vs RHers. Q is liklely going to be lucky to get 200 AB's in 2006.

 

The real problem is the giant difference in salary between Q and Jenkins.

 

The Brewers kick in some $ for part of Jenkins salary and this is a no-brainer for me. I do that deal.

 

Last Edited by TRrrr on 02/01/2007 11:55 AM

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[aracko]

In my humble opinion, Quinlan would fit a major hole we have in the lineup and that is the need for a #2 hitter and a backup for Koskie. This is Jeff Cirillo.

[TooLiveBrew]

Nice work with the Angels' fan perspective. That really sheds some light on the deal. And with that in mind, here's hoping the two sides have already begun discussions

[TooLiveBrew]

Would the Crew have to pay any more than, say, $2 mil. of Jenks's salary to swing this? $5 mil. seems fair for what he could produce.... (400ish ABs)

[BritInWI]

I'm a little surprised at the love for Quinlan here. I think some people failed to read Aracko's post properly. Or did I somehow misread it???

 

While objectivity from fans is sometimes questionable, an Angels fan probably has more idea of Quinlan's abilities than most of us.

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There are probably several posters here who could play the OF as good as Quinlan. He's no corner OFer. And he is barely adequate at 3rdbase.

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and he will be at 1b or DH....the same 2 spots that Q needs to get AB's.

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These stuck out like a sore thumb to me. If he's that poor defensively, why do some here view him as a replacement for Koskie (if Koskie can't play)? Or a replacement in the OF for Jenkins? It sounds like, at best, he'd be a backup for Prince, a decent pinch hitter, and a DH when playing in AL parks, only playing third or the OF very occasionally.

 

I can't see how that's worth giving up Jenkins and paying some of his salary too. Quinlan really needs to go to an AL team. If the above assessment of his defensive abilities is accurate, then he'd be a liability, not an asset. Would you want a "barely adequate" 3rd baseman behind Suppan et al...?

[TooLiveBrew]

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It sounds like, at best, he'd be a backup for Prince, a decent pinch hitter, and a DH when playing in AL parks, only playing third or the OF very occasionally.

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Umm, this is kinda why I want him.

 

Another good bat v. LHP. Late-game PH situations, injury/days off, etc. He's probably not much worse than below-average, defensively. IMO defensive shortcomings are labels more often than truth. Perhaps Q really is just terrible, but as a MLer, I'd find that hard to believe.

 

This would cheapen our payroll, get Gross more ABs, and clear up our bench situation in general. Quinlan's ability to play several spots (if needed) make his presence much more logical than Jenkins (capable of 2 spots, probably could play 1B in a pinch) on the 25-man roster.

 

Clark, Mench, Gross, Quinlan, Counsell, Graffy, Miller

 

Is that too crowded a bench? Because if it isn't, that's a pretty ____ good bench. Is carrying 10 pitchers considered taboo/risky?

 

Sheets, Cap, Bush, Soup, CV, Villy, Capellan, TBow, CoCo, Wise, Shouse

 

That's obviously 11, and what's been rumored to be the group (at this point). So what becomes of the extra spot? Will Jenks be traded with a reliever for another reliver? Now I'm confused...

[JohnBriggs12]

One thing this thread has done is identify perhaps not a need so much as a wish for a versatile right handed bat that can be a fill-in platoon option at 3B and in the OF.

 

Could Rottino provide that in 2007?

 

He's really been the overlooked guy and I am starting to have a hunch that he's going to come to spring training raking and forcing them into considering him for opening day.

[thefutureishere2006]

the thing is i am more comfortable with mench being on the team if jenkins is too. if it is strictly mench out there, we might be in trouble. both of them...nither of them ..or just jenkins.. but never just mench.

[valpocrewsader]

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And 1B. Who's going to be on the depth chart behind Prince? Hart? What happens if Prince goes down for a stretch, Hart becomes an every day 1B? (Or am I forgetting someone? No Cirillo, no Koskie.)

[BritInWI]

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Another good bat v. LHP. Late-game PH situations, injury/days off, etc. He's probably not much worse than below-average, defensively. IMO defensive shortcomings are labels more often than truth. Perhaps Q really is just terrible, but as a MLer, I'd find that hard to believe.

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Point taken. But at the same time, there was talk about moving Sexson to the OF, which everyone agrees he could play - just not very well. It could also be a similar case here. They want to get Quinlan's bat into the lineup so they put him wherever they can to do so.

 

I fully understand why people want his bat. That's never been the issue for me. It's the idea that we would take on someone whose role could be severely limited due to defensive issues, giving up a decent player in a contract year and still have to pay a chunk of his salary.