OF logjam solution

[jaybird2001wi]

Brewers get:

P Tanyon Sturtze

 

Twins get:

OF Geoff Jenkins

$4 million

 

Braves get:

OF Rondell White

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Royals get:

OF Kevin Mench

Cash considerations

 

Brewers get:

OF Emil Brown (DFA after)

PTBNL

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Brewers get:

OF Carl Crawford

 

Devil Rays get:

OF Tony Gwynn Jr.

P Yovani Gallardo

C Lou Palmisano

* EDITED

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Brewers get:

P Tim Redding

 

Nationals get:

OF Laynce Nix

 

Here is how the 25-man roster would look:

C - Johnny Estrada, Damian Miller

IF - Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, JJ Hardy, Corey Koskie, Craig Counsell, Tony Graffanino

OF - Carl Crawford, Bill Hall, Corey Hart, Gabe Gross, Brady Clark

SP - Ben Sheets, Jeff Suppan, Chris Capuano, Dave Bush, Claudio Vargas

RP - Tanyon Sturtze, Carlos Villanueva, Francisco Cordero, Derek Turnbow, Jose Capellan, Matt Wise, Tim Redding

 

LineUp

 

1. CF Carl Crawford

2. SS JJ Hardy

3. LF Bill Hall

4. 1B Prince Fielder

5. 2B Rickie Weeks

6. RF Corey Hart/Gabe Gross

7. C Johnny Estrada

8. 3B Corey Koskie

[Team Canada]

Brewers get: OF Carl Crawford

Devil Rays get: OF Tony Gwynn Jr.,C Lou Palmisano,IF Hernan Irrabarren

 

 

Not even close.

[TooLiveBrew]

....and I'm not so sure KC would take that for Brown. These aren't the Royals of the 90s anymore; their GM situation has improved quite a bit.

[Invader3K]

The revised Crawford trade is more reasonable. Not convinced they'll consider giving him up, though.

[JohnBriggs12]

The first deal is ridiculous. Why not just waive Jenkins and eat his salary. Tanyon Sturtze? Is he still on a roster?

 

The second, Mench for Brown is lopsided in the Brewer favor. Brown had a nice year last year, .287/.358/.457. Can't fathom the Royals dealing him for anything but pitching. And you would DFA Brown? Heck he'd be my starter in left right now.

 

Crawford isn't going anywhere.

 

Redding is 4A fodder so this would just be a deal to shuffle AAA bodies.

[dadofandrew]

Any trade thread where Yo G is bandied about should be locked. Redding was a minor league FA, and why would we trade Nix, he has an option.

[fleehaw]

Just to pile it on. Where's Shouse in that bullpen? Or Aquino? Surely, these 2 guys are better than Sturtze & Redding.

[MNBrew]

Jaybird, I won't pile on. You were having fun and getting creative. We all do it. It just takes discussion forums like this to have folks ready to point out holes you may or may not have known about.

 

I could see one or two of those deals working, and sure, I'd love to have Carl Crawford. I don't think Sturtze, Emil Brown, & Redding are guys I'd be after, mainly because I don't think they represent much of an upgrade from what we already have.

 

I'd love to see Doug Melvin turn a deal or two like the Franklin & Estrella for Villanueva & Woolard (or was it Wooley?) -- ones where you give up something known for potential nuggets. The Twins getting Joe Mays (who was quite good before he got injured 3-4 yrs ago) and David Ortiz from Seattle for Dave Hollins also comes to mind. I don't know that any of our OF surplus (whomever you'd see as surplus beyond Hall & Hart) would net major big-league roster parts on their own, but may when combined with a little potential/depth from our bullpen. So I think it's much more likely that they make deals for mid-grade or sleeper-type prospects.

 

I sure want to see this all unfold.

[BrewCrewForever]

I think a OF of Crawford, Hall and Hart would make me so happy I would (blank) my pants! But I ton't see TB giving him up.

[thefutureishere2006]

i want to see Yo pitch here someday..so no.

 

However, if the Royals would take Mench for Emil, I would do that. But as earlier mentioned, there Gm situation is improving too much for them to consider it.

[TooLiveBrew]

How about sending Jenks & Hendrickson to LAD for Larry Bigbie?

 

Bigbie's been impressive early in ST, and hits RHPing. IIRC, his defense & glovework are fine. Perhaps a reliver in return as well?

 

These are just my thoughts...

[iluvlamp]

Crawford would be ridiculous on this team. If only... If Yo ends up not pitching on this team in the bigs I will boycott the Crew.

[adambr2]

Seems like a lot of people say, "Would love Crawford here, but we can't give up Gallardo no matter what."

 

Well, in all fairness, what would you expect? Of course it would require Gallardo or someone like that. Crawford is probably the premiere outfielder for potential in baseball. They'd never let him go for scraps, even a package deal with Gallardo might not be enough.

 

That being said, I am a firm believer that no one is untradeable given the right offer. Let's imagine this scenario:

 

We're leading our division near the trade deadline, but it's close. We're a pretty well rounded team, but the outfield situation is a little weak. Our rotation is living up to all expectations. Villanueva has earned the 5th spot and has proved last year wasn't a fluke with 9 wins and a sub 4.00 ERA. The rest of the rotation is doing exactly what is expected, giving us the best all-around rotation in the league.

 

If we had that chance to make that trade there, could we really pass it up, even at the expense of losing Gallardo? We lose what could have been our ace of the future. We gain a star outfielder and instantly become a favorite for a trip to the World Series in 2007.

 

What's the risk vs. reward situation there? I guess only Melvin could answer that.

[sheetswannabe]

Villanueva has earned the 5th spot and has proved last year wasn't a fluke with 9 wins and a sub 4.00 ERA.

Man that would be nice. Id say keep Gallardo, its hard to come by a cheap possible ace of the future. Sheets may not be re-signed, cappy might leave(all this in 08). And what do you know, our rotation isnt the best anymore.

[UWRyan428]

If we're rocking and it looks like our pitching prospects are producing, or on the verge, I say we trade Capuano. As mentioned earlier, he could easily be gone in the near future, and while he may be our only lefty, such things are almost trivial to me, with the advent of the bullpen for needed match-ups. Furthermore, and I know this may sound petty, but he is a Duke-educated Economics major, which would signal to me his preoccupation with that which is green (and I'm not talking Elijah Dukes' green, though I would love to see the package of Rocco or Crawford include the former linebacker). But such talk is not applicable until Yo and/or CV the Younger force managements' hands.

[Ennder]

This trade idea gives me a headache. Its hard enough making a trade between 2 teams much less a trade involving half the league.

[twobrewers]

Quote:

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Sheets may not be re-signed

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I'd say you are more optomistic than I am. I think it is "Sheets will no be re-signed."

 

The club can't admit it, but with the way salaries are going - Sheets is a goner. Hence, they can't trade YoGa because they are counting on him to replace Sheets as the Ace in 2009.

[LetsGoBrewCrew]

I'd never give up Yovani... not even for Crawford.... never in a million years

[Brian the Automator]

[ I'd never give up Yovani... not even for Crawford.... never in a million years ]

 

He'd be well past his peak by then anyway...

[UWRyan428]

While he may be past his peak, I have always compared him to Rickey Henderson and we all know Rickey will still be doing tryouts for the next million years...

[MNBrew]

On one hand . . . no one ever really knows what will happen.

 

On another . . . it's at least fun to speculate. So....

 

- IF the upper level starting pitching prospects (Yo, CVilly, Inman, ZJ, etc.) continue to improve,

- IF Capuano either prices or underproduces himself out of Brewerdom, and IF the Brewers are still looking to open up some outfield space on the roster, and

- IF Tampa Bay's Carl Crawford continues his 5-tool, high-ceiling ascent, then...

 

Do the Brewers consider Capuano (and possibly DH material like Mench or reserve depth like Clark or Gross) as a principal element of a deal for Rocco Baldelli (and others that make the overall asset/value on both ends fairly equal?

 

I suppose a deal like this also presumes that Hall & Hart still play everyday, and that Baldelli will, too, so Jenkins must also get moved along the way, which ought to net something decent in return if the adjustments he's finally made still have a substantial positive impact on his regular-season production.

 

I like Capuano quite a lot, but I raise the idea for reasons others also have in this thread, and because he still needs to prove his shaky 2nd half was the fluke, not his great year-and-a-half.