reds relievers?

[Big Reed]

I've noticed the brewers relievers are not doing as well as expected. last year as part of their attempt to win the division, the reds picked up a bunch of relievers. it would appear they now have a surplus of quality veteran relievers.

 

Dustin hermanson is back. And the reds have coffey, Weathers and Stanton. they also have eddie guardado coming back from an injury. rick White is there as is ryan franklin.

 

Obviously, the reds can 't keep all of those veteran relievers and still have room for several of their pitching prospects. homer baily was optioned to the minors this week. but he was a starter.

 

I realize most people say you shouldn't trade within your division, but the reality is that it happens more often than people want to admit. the brewers and cubs have made several minor trades. the brewers have also made trades with the cardinals and astros in the past.

 

EDIT: Removed excessive punctuation from subject -- Brian the Automator

[berniebrewer4life]

I would think they will leave some of the younger guys down in the minors til the trade deadline. Move everyday Eddie(or another vet) for some prospects, then bring the kids up. Would i trade for one of thier relievers? Sure, if the price was right. But being in the same division(and competing for it) will probably raise Cinci's asking price.

[hauser42]

I don't see a lot of quality in the names mentioned. Billy Bray is the best in that pen.

 

Weathers, White, Stanton, and Hermanson are nothing to write home about. I would take the Brewer guys over them. T-Bow looks fine, Wise has been working on a breaking pitch. Cappelan and Shouse will turn it around for the roles they will be in. We only need guys for the 6th and 7th as starters shoud get us to that most days and past. 8th needs to be t-bow and 9th is Coco time.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'd take Weathers over just about any reliever on the Brewer staff save Cordero. I still don't trust Turnbow. I don't believe the hype on Capellan, and Wise has proved to be quite fragile.

 

There isn't a situation Weathers not been in and nothing phases him. He has a rubber arm.

 

What's not to like?

[MNBrew]

I'm not normally one to jump on a trade-idea bandwagon, but JohnBriggs12, you hit the nail on the head in my book. I've been hoping the Brewers would go out and somehow get David Weathers again . . . for the last 3 years.

 

Billy Castro turned that guy's career around when he became a Brewer, and the bullpen has really lacked a constantly there, steady presence like him at all since he was traded. You'd think it wouldn't cost that much in a trade to get him if the Reds were willing, but who knows?

 

Cordero seems about the only sure thing. All the other relievers have significant question marks of varying sizes.

[Big Reed]

I'm just thinking that reds insiders say that hermanson is looking as good as he did in 2005, and they plan to use him as their closer. Coffey looked good last year and has looked great this spring. Eddie guardado is still hurt. Stanton is a lefty which i highly doubt the reds would part with. The reliever the reds acquired from the nationals was damaged goods.

 

Hermanson's return and Coffey's emergence would make Weathers the third rightie in the bullpen. and the reds also have the relievers they acquired from the phillies.

 

I just have to believe the reds have a surplus of relievers. I see them as having a shortage of starting pitchers. i wouldn't mind sending Vargas or hendrickson to the reds for weathers. i doubt the reds would give up weathers for hendrickson. but they might be willing to trade Weathers for vargus. and the brewers could insert Villenuava into the 5th starter slot.

 

I see the brewers needing weathers more than they need vargus.

[berniebrewer4life]

Reds cut Paul Wilson today. 4.30 ERA last few years, blew up to over 7 last year. Worth a look?

[hauser42]

Reds cut Paul Wilson today. 4.30 ERA last few years, blew up to over 7 last year. Worth a look?

 

He was worth a look when he was the #1 overall pick and before arm injuries. Now only looking he should get is as a minor league fill in.

[Big Reed]

the reds are shopping Rheal Cormeir. he's an old guy. he's had a decent spring. They can't be asking much for him.

[reillymcshane]

Cormier is a good loogy. I'd take him in a heartbeat if it doesn't cost much.

[sbrylski]

Pass.

 

.818 OPS against LHB the last two years, .775 over the last three. Not that good.

[Big Reed]

Cormeir is a lefty who is a veteran who has had some success in the past. and he 's had an ok spring. looking at the reds relief staff, they've got to find new homes for about 2-3 veteran relievers. Since the y just waived Wilson without getting anything in return, i have to believe their asking price for cormier is pretty low .

[dadofandrew]

I wouldn't give anything for him, but I'd think about claiming him off waivers.

[sbrylski]

Cormeir is a lefty who is a veteran who has had some success in the past. and he 's had an ok spring.

 

Past as in three years ago. And ST means nothing to me. He's old and declining, IMO, and I don't want to give up anything for him.

[Big Reed]

I would take exception to that. Cormier was having a very good year last year while pitching for the phillies. he didn't start stinking up the joint last year until he became a red.

 

As A phillie, he had an 1.59 ERA in 43 games pitching only 34 innings giving up 13 walks and 13 kos.

 

he was great in 2003 and 2004. he stunk in 2005 and for the reds last year.

 

You have to realize at this stage in his career, he's a lefty specialist brought in to face 1-2 batters.

 

I guess the question would be do the brewers have a need for a lefty bullpen specialist? or do they have confidence in Shouse?

[reillymcshane]

Folks are right about Cormier - not really a loogy like I thought. Over the past three years, lefties have hit him slightly better. And he'll be 40 next month.

[sbrylski]

You have to realize at this stage in his career, he's a lefty specialist brought in to face 1-2 batters.

 

I guess the question would be do the brewers have a need for a lefty bullpen specialist? or do they have confidence in Shouse?

 

Matt Wise gets lefties out better than Cormier.

[UWRyan428]

Two years ago, Matty Wise was the top set-up man (BAA) in the NL, if I recall correctly. He has a freak accident and the next thing you know, he is an afterthought when speaking of the bullpen (or at least the "set up man" talk).

[Big Reed]

ok, i can understand why you might not want cormeir. the guy is old and only faces 1-2 batters at most. but i do believe the brewers need a crafty veteran left handed reliever.

[sbrylski]

i do believe the brewers need a crafty veteran left handed reliever.

 

I agree, but he has to be better than what we already have.

[Oldcity]

I'm really starting to go against one-two out specialist relievers. I think their worth is overrated, as any pitcher would do better if he's set up with ideal conditions. Also, if a LOOGY is only pitching a third of an inning at a time, he's not eating up any innings. It's like having one less pitcher on the staff, and subsequently puts more strain on the rest of the pitchers.

[UWRyan428]

Go ask Brian Shouse how much work a LOOGy gets on Yost's pitching staff.

[Oldcity]

But Shouse really shouldn't be used as much as he was last year. In 80 ABs, lefties had a .669 OPS against him. In 68 ABs, righties had a brutal .936 OPS against him. Basically, he should not face righties.