Will Bill Hall ever make adjustments?

[nate82]

Now it is home run trots that show how much a player hustles? I guess that means Braun is anti hustle also man do we have any players that hustle? Hall and Hardy are about equal in their out of box speed. I haven't timed them but by doing an eye test they are about the same.

 

Yes Hall does watch home runs when he should be running but that has very little to do with hustle. Can you come up with another stat where you can find hustle in it. Please don't bring up stolen bases since that has nothing to do with hustle either. You are trying to find a stat that doesn't exist that says Hall doesn't hustle or another player doesn't hustle. If you can find a stat where hustle plays into something then you got something.

 

I bet Hall and Hardy have the exact same number of infield hits over their careers. That is the only stat I can think of where hustle would matter and that is still reliant on a fielder throwing the ball away or bobbling the ball. Still not even a stat you could say is determined on hustle. Yes I know your little league coach told you to hustle for everything that wasn't for getting extra base hits that was for trying your hardest all the time. More of a motivational thing than anything else really.

 

To say someone is not hustling and bringing evidence that is shaky at best and saying that is the proof said player is not hustling is just not going to hold water. By my eye test Hardy and Hall hustle about exactly even and they haven't really cost themselves triples or doubles or anything by not hustling more. Weeks is probably the only player on the team that doesn't have a hustle problem if you want to evaluate someone on hustle. Everyone else on the team is about even on hustling around.

[FVBrewerFan]

This whole argument about Hall's hustle or lack thereof is quite OT, and quite ridiculous. Go back and read the entire page and I'm sure you'll even agree.

[naivin]

Not sure how this turned into a discussion about Bill Hall's hustle or lack of hustle...the guy can't hit, and lately he doesn't catch or throw very well either. If he can't at least play decent defense, with very rare circumstantial exceptions, he should never face a RHP again.

[3Putt]

Hustle, game prep, studying pitchers pickoff moves, working on situational hitting, refining fielding techniques, it all goes to self motivation. Hall hasn't shown any which is why he will never improve. I've been saying the same things about Hall for 3 years ago and folks are still debating me. With Macca as our Manager I'm hoping this will all be a moot point in short order. With Hall's contract though the problem never goes away.

[Ayt]

Hustle, game prep, studying pitchers pickoff moves, working on situational hitting, refining fielding techniques, it all goes to self motivation. Hall hasn't shown any which is why he will never improve. I've been saying the same things about Hall for 3 years ago and folks are still debating me. With Macca as our Manager I'm hoping this will all be a moot point in short order. With Hall's contract though the problem never goes away.

That's ridiculous. Even if we only look at one aspect -- defense -- he's made massive strides in that department and has put in enough time to be able to play multiple positions.

[Invader3K]

I would say Hall is very good defensively.

 

He still has value, it's just that he's overpaid right now given his current performance in the batter's box, so any discussion of him being traded is pretty moot.

[Gobias Industries]

I kind of agree with both sides here. Triples are very luck-based, as I'm sure a guy like Carlos Lee "allows" more triples than your average left fielder.

 

But I also don't think it's that far-fetched that Bill Hall has cost himself a base or two several times the past couple of years. His bad habit of watching balls that are NOWHERE close to leaving the ballpark is pretty well documented.

[bobskube]

Hustle, game prep, studying pitchers pickoff moves, working on situational hitting, refining fielding techniques, it all goes to self motivation. Hall hasn't shown any which is why he will never improve. I've been saying the same things about Hall for 3 years ago and folks are still debating me. With Macca as our Manager I'm hoping this will all be a moot point in short order. With Hall's contract though the problem never goes away.

Don't take full credit. I have been saying the exact same things. Two years ago Dale Sveum told me that Billy and Geoff Jenkins were two most stubborn guys on team and refused to make adjustments.

[3Putt]

bobskube, I recognize you as one of the guys who also has had Hall's number for some time. Interesting to hear that Sveum was trying to fix him long ago. The Hall contract has got to make the top ten as Brewer's worst. Their hands have been tied for 3 years and we still have one more we'll likely have to eat at least a portion of.

[bklynbrewcrew]

This is my opinion of Hall; he is at his best when he is looking to go the other way where he has shown tremendous power in the past. Unfortunately he refuses to even attempt to change his batting style and has looked clueless for quite some time now. As far as Im concerned he should only play against lefties and as a defensive replacement late in games for Gamel. The Mat Gamel era is upon is; you only need to watch this kid bat once or twice to see that he is special.

[3Putt]

On Wednesday Hall was 0 for 5, yesterday he was 0 for 3 and tonight he was 0 for 2. That's steady improvement. I think Macca should stick with him a bit longer.

[rluzinski]

It's a shame Sveum was so stubborn himself and didn't listen to his own advice. Maybe he wouldn't have finished with a career OBP under .300.

[bobskube]

It's a shame Sveum was so stubborn himself and didn't listen to his own advice. Maybe he wouldn't have finished with a career OBP under .300.

Wow, that was a hard high fast one to Dale! Rluz, you know that most successful coaches are not good MLBers. Sveum would be in this category. As a manager myself, it is easier to see weaknesses of others than your own. When people identify your weaknesses, you have to make adjustments. Bill Hall does not follow this simple credo.

[Invader3K]

Didn't Sveum have some injuries that probably played a factor with that, though?

 

Anyway, that's not really relevant to this conversation I'd guess.

[Nottso]

And the flip side is Rod Carew. Great hitter, but little success as Brewer's hitting coach.

[yount19.u]

As far as I'm concerned he should only play against lefties and as a defensive replacement late in games for Gamel. The Mat Gamel era is upon is; you only need to watch this kid bat once or twice to see that he is special.

I was really hoping Gamel would be able to work on his defense some more in the minors this year, but unfortunately Hall has left he team no choice. I am willing to put up with the errors because at least Gamel will get some important hits. As good as Hall is defensively and against lefties, he is downright miserable against righties and actually getting worse. I think his struggles against righties are now affecting the rest of his game. It's time we all realize Hall will never be close to the same player he was in '06 (or even '07 for that matter). Despite his bloated contract, he can be a solid platoon option at 3rd with Gamel, and be counted on to provide quality defense during his starts and late in close games.

[TooLiveBrew]

Hall with the huge walk-off... and to RC no less. If only this thread had addressed the topic of Hall going the opposite way...

 

 

Congrats Billy!

[bobskube]

Hall with the huge walk-off... and to RC no less. If only this thread had addressed the topic of Hall going the opposite way...

 

 

Congrats Billy!

Seems pretty simple, huh? It is about time Billy started to go to right at a clutch time.

[Brewer Fever]

It's a shame Sveum was so stubborn himself and didn't listen to his own advice. Maybe he wouldn't have finished with a career OBP under .300.

 

I recall reading a quote from Sveum recently saying as much. His point was that he's trying to get these guys to figure it out before it's too late and their career is over as was the case with him.

[RyDogg66]

Hall goes to the opposite field to win the game, which means another month of him pulling everything and stinking.

[Rob]

I don't care how much he struggles, he's my favorite Brewer of all time simply because he has done just about anything that the organization has asked him too and never once (that I can recall) been unprofessional about it. My nickname for Billy now is the The Pro. I can't believe I like someone better than Robin Yount.

[OOOverbay]

I haven't been on the board in a few days, but I was pretty sure this would be a current topic. It just amazes me that Hall doesn't try to go opposite field more often. You''ll get more pitches inside Billy if you would ever stop trying to pull every pitch for an extended period of time. It's so frustrating how stubborn he must be. I don't know how reliable bobskube is (I'm not saying you're not, bobskube), but I don't even need him to tell me what Sveum told him, because it's obvious Hall has never stopped trying to pull the ball. Rant done.

[BrewCrewForever]

When he goes to the opposite field it is a thing of beauty. It's just to bad he doesn't do it often enough. He has stunk this year, but big props to him today. That was pure clutch and it gave us a big win.

[3Putt]

No doubt it was a huge win. Congrats Billy!

 

I've figured it out. Let's play Hall in the late innings on holidays that begin with "M".

[Nottso]

I hope this doesn't get moved to the IGT. I'm going to use an example from last night, but this has more to do with a trend that's there all the time.

 

Hall's pose and stare at his medium-depth fly ball in the second inning last night is another prime example of "Billy being Billy." Think about this for a minute. If Hall runs the 40 in 5 seconds (which is actually not very good and I do not know Hall's actual time), that means he can cover 24 feet per second on average. That 1 second pose costs him 24 feet on the basepaths. 24 feet is a long way when trying to beat out a throw from the middle of the outfield if that ball is dropped, and means there's no way he'll ever see a "hustle" double.

 

I wish Macha would bench him immediatley after every pose. Maybe fine him. Maybe make him do pushups ala the movie Major League. Something has to be done.