How much talent could we get for Sheets at the deadline?

[Nader Raider Tim]

I say trading Sheets for prospects should never happen. That is why I don't agree with what UWRyan wants in return Adenhart and other such prospects from the Dodgers.

 

However the Brewers are going to be in a tough situation in the offseason if it is clear they can't sign Sheets. Do they go for it all that one season or try and turn Sheets into 2 or 3 assets for the 3-4 years? If I was in Melvins position I would seriousally consider trading Sheets for a legitimate proven bullpen arm with closer upside and an young outfielder with ML experience with tremendous potential, with a prospect. Rios is a guy that I thought would make a lot of sense for the Brewers but I don't see anything else that matches up. I would have said Brandon League, but he has been demoted and lost an apparent 10 mph on his fastball.

[endaround]

Sheets for Gabe Gross and Jose Cappellan? No thanks. Replace Sheets with Oswalt and laugh at these suggestions.

[paul253]

I dont think the idea should be completely ruled out. Right now we have 5 solid starters, with Villanueva able to fill in now and Gallardo to fill in after that. Both look capable of being able to succeed, and cannot be fairly compared to Hendrickson. Its a good possibility Will Inman will be in Huntsville by the end of the year, meaning hes only currently 2 to 3 years away.

 

Lets face it, after Braun, Inman, and Gallardo, we arent exactly loaded with stud prospects. The Marlins have shown what kind of talent a good major leaguer can bring in. I bet we could get 3 really good prospects for Sheets, including 2 pitchers, if we trade him at the end of the season.

 

Next seasons rotation could be something like Cappy, Suppan, Bush, Gallardo and Villanueva. Vargas as the long man, with 2 new pitching prospects at Nashville

[Nader Raider Tim]

Endaround, when did anyone, I assume you are directing that comment directly at me, make the suggestion of trading Sheets for Gabe gross and Jose Cappellan. You can disagree with the idea of ever potentially trading Sheets but putting illogical, and assine words into peoples mouths to discredit the hypothetical discussion going on, is completely foolish.

[UWRyan428]

I was basing my proposals on the packages the Athletics got for Hudson and Mulder. If we want to contend year after year, we have to make astute trades with our eyes on the future. Also, if we did trade Big Ben, we could insert CV the Younger or YoGa into our rotation. But the more I think about it, the more it scares me to imagine seeing Big Ben pitching AGAINST the Brews, especially at Miller Park. Let Ben dictate if he leaves Milwaukee.

[Big Reed]

ryan- you need to back up just a tad.. you said if we want to contend year after year, we need to make astute trades focused towards the future.

 

We have yet to contend once in the past 25 years. Do you consider 81-81 contending?

 

We need to be a contender first before we start making astute trades with the future in mind. We've been making trades looking at the future for the past 20 years. it's now time we make astute trades looking at the present. We've never done that before. Contenders make trades looking at the present. contenders give away the future to win now.

 

i'd like to see some of those type of trades.

[paul253]

We need to be a contender first before we start making astute trades with the future in mind.

 

i dont think trading Greg Vaugh for Mark Nuefield, Ron Villone and Bryce Florie counts as trading for the future. I think we've done some poor jobs with trading for "prospects", especially with Taylor and Bando. it takes a lot of time to completely turn around an MLB francise, not like in football where 2 good drafts can do it for you. player development takes 4 times as long, and lets face it, financing isnt exactly geared towards small market teams like it is in football and basketball. so as far as sheets goes, if it is let him go or trade him for prospects, the responsible thing to do is trade him. you can get some really good prospects for him, which could hopefully turn into 2 more ben sheets in a few years.

[Big Reed]

that's exactly the wrong mentality. we need to stop trading our best player for nice prospects and hope they develop in a few years. What we need to do is figure out a way to keep our best players and not trade them away. and we don't need to trade our best players for prospects if we make smart decisions on draft day.

[paul253]

I dont have the trade our best players for prospect mentality. In cases like Carlos Lee, though, it became fairly obvious he wasnt going to re-sign, so rather than letting him go for 2 extra picks, we traded him. Sheets' value is probably twice that of Lee's was, so think about the return we could get for him, especially if a team is desperate. If he expresses a willingness to re-sign and we can afford him, I am all for that. But we cant rule out the possibility of doing it just so we dont come off as a development team.

[UWRyan428]

I would just prefer to model the Brewers after the Athletics than the Marlins. I understand that the Marlins have two rings in the last ten years and the A's are without, but I'd rather be good than lucky.

[UWRyan428]

And also, I AM A HUGE BEN FAN!!! His K/BB ratio could push 10-1!!!! I find it hard to imagine a pitcher I would rather pitch the first game of a series. He is....our ace. But if economically we are going to be"A-Rod"-ed by his future contract, I would prefer to trade him for some young, inexpensive talent. Also, if it is going to be the Dodgy Fellows, make it Elbert, Billingsley, and Broxton. If they were to agree, it would be money.