Penny to Brewers?

[Hate those Rodents]

Buster Olney just speculating, but these guys hate bringing up teams like Milwaukee in trade rumors, so sometimes there MIGHT be a LITTLE more to it. Anyway, it's in this link after the first story.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4157479&name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d4157479%26name%3dolney_buster

[Invader3K]

It's an interesting idea like you said...at this point though, where would you even put him? I suppose Parra would have to move to the bullpen, if it did happen. I would think the price to get Penny wouldn't be that high, which would be kind of nice. But he hasn't been very good so far this year, either...6.90 ERA and 1.76 WHIP after 6 starts.

[endaround]

The one to be moved to the bullpen would be Looper but more likely a move woudl be made after an injury anyway

[dadofandrew]

McClung is probably in the top 5 of "6th starters" in MLB right now.

 

I can see a CC type top guy being added in July, I don't see a middling fella like Penny being brought in, barring injuries of course.

[Invader3K]

I agree. Penny doesn't seem like he'd be that much of an upgrade over what we have now...only way I would see this happening soon would be a sudden injury.

[endaround]

If Penny is healthy he isn't middling. A healthy Penny would clearly be the 2nd best pitcher on the Brewers. Now him being healthy...

[Team Canada]

Can we send them Suppan?

[Invader3K]

Yeah, if we eat salary, I'd guess maybe they would take him back. His numbers are better than Penny's at this point.

 

(Also, not to nitpick, but can we fix the spelling in the thread title?)

[Tbadder]

If they asked for Stetter plus, would anyone here still do it?

[Invader3K]

Nope, I wouldn't. We need Stetter much more than we need a Brad Penny type at this point.

[apirk]

Penny is terrible, why bother even bother trying to add a #5.

[rousieboy]

Stetter and Suppan for Penny would ease payroll flexibility and maybe allow a bigger deadline deal later.

[endaround]

The Red Sox have too much pitching they are not taking on the Suppan contract to get rid of Penny

[Invader3K]

I think a trade with Boston could be feasible at some point since the teams' needs kind of match up, but I don't see why Melvin would have any real interest in Penny, like I said earlier.

[Hate those Rodents]

I'd maybe do it for Swindle, but not for Stetter. We theoretically could have signed him a couple months ago if we wanted too (though I admit Boston seems to get these types of guys as free agents, not us).

[Tbadder]

I'd like to take a chance on Penny, but I don't see the match. Unless the Red Sox are willing to take crap for crap, I can't see this getting done.

[bbaehman]

In Bob Ryan's column in the Boston Globe, it was discussed as JJ Hardy for Penny and Manny DelCarmen. Interesting.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Why would we trade JJ Hardy for a middle reliever and an awful starter. Bob Ryan is a moron.

[trwi7]

Bob Ryan is a moron.

 

Yeah he is. Have you ever heard that guy when he fills in on ESPN? Brutal.

 

Again, the point of getting Penny (or any pitcher, whether it be Bedard, Lee or Peavy) would be to strengthen the major league club. Trading our starting SS for a struggling starting pitcher and a middle reliever doesn't strengthen the major league club.

[Invader3K]

I don't see why we'd have any realistic interest in Brad Penny. We already have him on the team, except his name is Jeff Suppan.

[endaround]

Actually its more like Looper, he's still better than Suppan. That said Penny's FB is 1 MPH less than it was in 2006, the last year he posted good K numbers. And his control might take a whole season to get back to his preinjury level.

 

As for Bob Ryan's idea, it shows it takes very little intelligence to be a sports columnist.

[TooLiveBrew]

What's maddening to me is that there really aren't any checks & balances on sportswriters & broadcasters -- they can just spout whatever nonsense comes to mind, and it's up to fans to elighten themselves. Kinda defeats the point of the jobs imo.

 

In other jobs, when you come up with stupid ideas, typically there's a supervisor and/or co-workers to point out the flaws in said ideas. In sports journalism, your editor apparently just spellchecks.

[chuckiehacks]

What's maddening to me is that there really aren't any checks & balances on sportswriters & broadcasters -- they can just spout whatever nonsense comes to mind, and it's up to fans to elighten themselves. Kinda defeats the point of the jobs imo.

 

In other jobs, when you come up with stupid ideas, typically there's a supervisor and/or co-workers to point out the flaws in said ideas. In sports journalism, your editor apparently just spellchecks.

But they have journalism degrees, from Columbia! [/Albom]

 

With all the complaing guys like Mitch Albom, Buzz Bissinger and Murray Chass do about bloggers, you'd think they'd be a little more careful about throwing out crap in print.

[804Sox]

Penny's not great, but he's started to turn it around and has been a league-average pitcher outside of his awful second start. More encouraging, he's really cut down on the free passes over the past 5 or 6 starts. He'd definitely be an upgrade over both Looper an Suppan and probably Parra for a reasonable price - most likely a prospect in the 8-15 range. Given the strength of their 'pen, I don't think the Sox would be interested in Swindle. I know they liked Odorizzi leading up to the draft, so he's a possibility, as are guys like Scarpetta and Wily Peralta.

 

Do you guys see that as fair value?

 

also, if acquired, Manny delCarmen would likely be the Brewers closer of the future. He's only 27 and has struck out almost a batter per inning with a 3.25 ERA over the first 200+ innings of his career. He sits in the mid 90's with his fastball, and has a pretty sharp curve that he's been able to spot well the past two years and has relatively low walk rates for a power reliever. That would definitely be a solid return for Hardy when packaged with Penny given Escobar's progress in AAA.

[bklynbrewcrew]

804 Sox, no disrespect intended by why would we trade one of the best shortstops in baseball for an average at best starter and a reliever? I definitely agree that Delcarmen is good and have advocated trying to acquire him in the past but you dont trade a guy like Hardy for any reliever.

 

On a side note I can definitely see Hardy in Boston if we dont resign him before he reaches free agency. Since the Sox need a shortstop so badly how about a deal involving Escobar and Clay Buchholtz. That sounds like a win/win trade for both teams.