"Visible altercations"

[MJLiverock]

It's funny. I listen to Chicago sports radio and the Cub fans have identical stories to the ones here but theirs have Brewer fans as the instigators. Like FTJ said, same clowns different jerseys.

I chalk it up to the completely delusional mentality that the average Cub fan simply cannot understand that fans in the home ballpark (or fans anywhere for that matter) do not like the Cubs, do not root for them, and simply don't want to deal with "lets go Cubs" chants, obnoxious children wearing Cub gear and taunting home fans (it happened to me last year), or the ridiculous arguements they start because they barely know their own team and can't understand why it annoys other fans to listen to their drivel.

 

Cub fans are like the guy who shows up at your party, maybe knows a few people there, but decides to get drunk, keeps changing the music to suit his tastes, hits on your wife, tracks mud all over the house, and then calls you a jerk when some other drunk guest knocks his teeth out for spitting chew on the floor.

[True CryM]

I saw a pretty big fight at the last Dbacks Cubs game. And this was in Arizona. In my opinion, the kid was asking for it, but I'm also a biased Brewer fan. The Cubs fan couldn't have been more than 130 pounds soaking wet and refused to let these three guys watch an at bat in peace. "Let's Go Cubbies" and "F the Dbacks" for the first four innings without a pause. After that. the Cubs fan started questioning some fan's allegiance because he wasn't decked out in Dbacks gear. That went on for two innings. After the cubs scored another run, the kid decided to move down to the Dbacks fan's row and scream in his face. The guy apparently had had enough. One push, one push back, and the cubs fan got clocked. A bunch of his buddies jumped in and there was an all out brawl for about 30 seconds until the police showed up. I thought the tasers were going to come out, but there was no such luck. Typical Cubs fan.

[Tbadder]

I rarely go to games anymore, but I positively won't go to a Cubs/Brewer game because of all the rudeness and lack of class on both sides. Mother's Day I actually turned down free tickets (and my mother/wife both wanted to go) for this reason. I just don't understand the need to be a jerk to another human being. My best day at the park recently was when Cleveland had to play their games here, and I got talking to their fans--nice poeple, great time!

[Yount19]

I'd have to say that Cardinal fans are exact opposite of Cub fans. They are very knowledgable and respectful when they come to Miller Park (from what I seen).

[Patrick425]

I'm pretty sure this is a Brewer fan (from Sunday's game). So, goes to show that obnoxious fans are obnoxious fans regardless of the team they root for:

 

http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/23515b9a75f19a111d2d0cd1fe5aa36f1260719.pjpg

 

 

[logan82]

I think this stereotyping of fans is wrong. All teams have obnoxious fans. The reason I think the Cubs seem worse is there are just more of them. Putting large numbers of people with differing fanatical beliefs together with alcohol in a small area is going to lead to confrontations. Cardinal fans would be just as bad if they came to Miller Park in the numbers that Cubs fans do. There is still no excuse for acting obnoxious in a public place.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

No kidding, I can't believe the nerve of that Cubs fan lady texting during a key moment in the game.

[nate82]

Why is it so hard for people to sit in their own seats at Brewers games? You pay for a ticket, you sit in that seat. I mean, c'mon people.

 

For 3 hours on Saturday night, I was standing up and sitting down while people got kicked out of our row or the row in front of us 4 different times.

 

Of course, then there's the 5 minute "Oh, buuut... I have a ticket"

Yeah, your ticket says row 14, WHY WOULD THAT BE THE FRONT ROW?

 

Sadly, half the time they were Brewers fans. This is happening more and more this year and it just irks me.

Yes I have seen more and more of that lately also. I don't mind if people are coming down near the 8th or 9th inning when some people start leaving the game for whatever reason it maybe.

 

I'm about to explode on the people who will not sit down and are either talking on their cell phone or are to drunk that they don't even know where they are. On Saturday there was a Cubs fan and whenever the Cubs would make an out she would stand up and put her arms up and then wouldn't sit down until about two pitches into the next at bat. Please don't stand up when you get a call and say hey I'm at ..... and then keep on standing and waving also please people stop visiting with your friends or family and standing in the aisle this is not the local bar there are other people at the stadium trying to watch the game if you want to visit please do so at Fridays, near the concession stands or with your butts sitting on the seats.

 

On another note there really needs to be a cut down on the amount of alcohol sold to an individual during the game. I don't know the solution to this problem though other than no alcohol inside the park but that really shouldn't be the answer.

 

OK rant over.

[theavrock]

I'm pretty sure this is a Brewer fan (from Sunday's game). So, goes to show that obnoxious fans are obnoxious fans regardless of the team they root for:

 

http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/23515b9a75f19a111d2d0cd1fe5aa36f1260719.pjpg

 

 

 

Whats wrong with those guys? I think its kind of funny. People take their shirts off at Packers games all the time. Yeah its kind of gross but to each their own. If some guy had I <3 Cubbies shaved into his chest and was cheering for his team when appropriate I wouldn't have any problem with it. As long as you aren't infringing on my right to enjoy the game be as out there as you want.

[beno78]

I was at all 3 games this weekend. I couldn't belive the amount of times we had to stand to let people (who did have tickets in our row) in and out. Seems like maybe between innings is a good time to go get food or to the restroom. I felt like we were the only ones actually watching the game in our row.

 

Sunday there was a weird thing...

A cop had been standing at the top of the aisle in the next section (414/415), presumably keeping an eye on things. She came over to talk to a Brewers fan who was standing and cheering late in the game as the team was trying to rally and told him to sit down. From what I could see no one was offended by his standing and cheering and was a critical part of the game and he was rallying behind his team. That actually escallated into a shouting match (between the cop and fan) about what was appropriate. Very odd since he was not obnoxious and was cheering for the HOME team.

[Tailgat0r76]

I was at all 3 games this weekend. I couldn't belive the amount of times we had to stand to let people (who did have tickets in our row) in and out. Seems like maybe between innings is a good time to go get food or to the restroom. I felt like we were the only ones actually watching the game in our row.

 

Sunday there was a weird thing...

A cop had been standing at the top of the aisle in the next section (414/415), presumably keeping an eye on things. She came over to talk to a Brewers fan who was standing and cheering late in the game as the team was trying to rally and told him to sit down. From what I could see no one was offended by his standing and cheering and was a critical part of the game and he was rallying behind his team. That actually escallated into a shouting match (between the cop and fan) about what was appropriate. Very odd since he was not obnoxious and was cheering for the HOME team.

That's probably the only time when I'll get extremely mad and will get verbal with fans around me. When I, and my buddies I'm there with, are standing at a crucial time in the game and we get yelled at from people behind to sit down. If someone behind is really old, or has a disability of some sort, than I understand and won't stand; but if not; you'll get a "are your legs broken?" from me, that's for sure.

[beno78]

I assume if I wanted to sit for the whole thing I would go to the Opera or Theater.

[Patrick425]

I'm about to explode on the people who will not sit down and are either talking on their cell phone

No kidding. Why do people need to stand while they are talking on the phone? I mentioned this before, but I also get quite irritated when I'm sitting there waiting for the game to start (might be an hour before the game watching BP or just 10 minutes before the game) and people in front of you arrive at there seats and feel the need to stand for 10 minutes. It's bad enough when they are 3 or 4 rows in front of you, but it's really annoying when they are right in front of you. Like I want to sit and look at your behind. It's really not a situation where I feel comfortable asking them to sit down because the game hasn't started, but it's very annoying none the less.

[senorjerm]

Twins fans generally travel to Miller Park in large numbers as well. The demographics are usually the same as many Brewers/Cubs fans -- collage frat boys. However the problems with two rival/fanatical fanbases in tight quarters never seemed to be a problem. I used to work in the Fan Zone at MP and never found any problems with the hoards of Twins fans. They were young, (older than me at the time) and drunk, but never seemed to cause any problems. Many (certainly not all) Cubs fans went out of there way to be jerks to fans in the stands and anyone working in the stadium for that matter.

 

Over the years I saw and heard about all sorts of crazy stuff. For example, a few years ago when Brewers/Cubs series were dominated by Cubs fans, there was a fight in TGI Friday's that sent someone actually through the drywall. Didn't see this in person, but it sounded pretty serious. In person, I saw a fan getting hauled off by the police in the service level of MP... and followed the trail of blood that was coming from his head. He was of course, shirtless, and screaming that he didn't do anything as he kicked his legs into the air as two officers held him by the arms. T'was an interesting night.

[bucks2281]

That actually escallated into a shouting match (between the cop and fan) about what was appropriate. Very odd since he was not obnoxious and was cheering for the HOME team.

 

I assume that the cop wasn't a Brewers/sports fan and doesn't understand why people stand at a game.

[homer]

I was at a game a few years ago and some guy in the first row of loge refused to sit down. He said to the people behind him "I paid my money, I can stand if I want to" to which someone replied "I paid my money to see a baseball game, not your fat arse." I thought that was funny.

[pretendastronaut]

The standing issue reminded me of this post I made after our first playoff game in Miller Park. Not Cubs related, but it demonstrates that these problems are pretty much at any game in one degree or another. Though, I would say, I've been to several of the Twins games, their fans have been fun to talk to and interact with in my experience, especially the first time that they were in MP for interleague play.

 

Our situation was a bit unique because I really think the fans in the back were more peeved at one guy in the last row of "standers" who really was a rude obnoxious jerk most of the game (and I told him so in not so pleasant terms myself), and when things came to a head, he sort of became an undeserved martyr, and without him in that section, the problem probably doesn't get nearly as bad.

 

However, that said, literally the first inning people were telling others in our section to sit down, and there were a good 6 rows of us who felt like standing and cheering. So the issue didn't revolve around the one guy exclusively.

 

When it really came to a head late in the game, the usher picked a horribly bad moment to get involved. We were standing for a big moment, and the usher came and started s-c-r-e-a-m-i-n-g at us that we had to sit down because other people paid money to see the game too. This wasn't a couple of people standing, more like 50 or more. It created quite the drama after that, with fans yelling at each other, cops leering at everyone, the usher getting into a screaming match with the aforementioned martyr, and him getting the crowd riled up, people standing up just to protest the usher and the police. An inning later, one of the people complaining about people standing went and sat in the front of the first row of "standers" and would stand whenever they sat and that caused quite a commotion too.

[BrewCrewWS2008]

I hate these fights as much as anyone, but it when you have a meaningful rivalry and a lot of alcohol, incidents are going to happen. No maybe about it. The only way it is going to go away is if one of the teams become irrelevant for a long period of time and attendance drops in half. These type of incidents are regular at Packer vs Bears or Vikings or Badgers vs Minnesota or Iowa football games.

 

I doubt there was a single fight at the Brewers vs Pirates series in Pittsburgh last week. If we go back to drawing 16,000 on a Friday night and being a bottom feeder of the division year in and year out the majority of these incidents will all go away. If you want to win and fill a ball park with a crowd that likes to over do it alcohol wise this is what you get.

 

Ha funny story bout this comment is that when I went to the Minn Wisconsin game in Minnosota two year ago lol it was about 70 percent badger fans! I was in the student section and over have was badger fans so we just over ran them over! their whole student section.....it was great but back to brewer cubs, just don't bring your kids. be smart you know what if going to happpen their and be ready for it. The place is going to be tense like or not, don't go if you don't like that. I mean even Cardinal games are good games for the family cause we don't as fans consider them our arch rival and it is much better of a game to go to if you eant more of a calm game. Cubs-Brewers has come to far and their is no help saving. We hate them and they hate us it 's a borderline battle.....get us to it!

[stoutdude04]

Ha funny story bout this comment is that when I went to the Minn Wisconsin game in Minnosota two year ago lol it was about 70 percent badger fans! I was in the student section and over have was badger fans so we just over ran them over! their whole student section.....it was great but back to brewer cubs, just don't bring your kids. be smart you know what if going to happpen their and be ready for it. The place is going to be tense like or not, don't go if you don't like that. I mean even Cardinal games are good games for the family cause we don't as fans consider them our arch rival and it is much better of a game to go to if you eant more of a calm game. Cubs-Brewers has come to far and their is no help saving. We hate them and they hate us it 's a borderline battle.....get us to it!

Yikes.

 

I actually saw some punches thrown last year when I was at the game for my birthday. I now choose never to go to Brewers - Cubs games. Its just not what I want to be apart of, and im ok with that.

[TheCrew]

The wife and I went Saturday and we also ended up bringing our two little ones on Sunday ( 6 mos and 2 years ) - wife woke up and wanted to go on Sun., told her it was her day and up to her...... I obviously wanted to go, but she pushed for it...... what can I say, I found a good onehttp://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif We already sold our season tix to a co-worker, but found some nice seats on the club level at the last second. Packed up the kiddies and made the drive down from GB and got in our seats during the bottom of the 1st.

 

Anyhow, back on point, Sunday's game was a much calmer crowd - Saturday's game, we saw 2 altercations in the section next to us. Best part was that it was cubs fans going at it with other cubs fans. First one was a group of middle 20's people and a guy and girl got into it, she hit him in the face a few times as they were walking out to the concourse...... few minutes later they ended up back in their seats and the chick was so drunk she nearly fell down the stairs (guard rail literally saved her). Was surprised security didn't boot them.

 

Second one, two adults started yelling at who I assume was their son, kid was also bombed and hanging on the front rail on the club level - Mom told him to sit his ass down and he gave her attitude, his dad didn't like that too much and walked down to the first row (they were a few rows up but the kid kept hanging in the 1st row) and grabbed him hard enough to knock his cell phone out of his sweatshirt and then dragged him out....... I thought he was gonna knock him a good one for a bit. Security escorted them out.

 

Funny thing is, both these altercations were right after the big inning.

[Dragonbait]

Cubs-Brewers, opening day.... Any game where it's more of an EVENT then anything else are the games I stay away from.

 

Neither me or my wife drink and i cannot fathom why people feel the need to get "blasted" or 'f'ed up'.

[jjkoestler]

"Neither me or my wife drink and i cannot fathom why people feel the need to get "blasted" or 'f'ed up'."

 

Because its fun.

 

I avoid Cubs-Brewers games because I never have fun at them. I spend all of my time hating the Cubs fans around me.

 

To parents who bring their kids to Brewers-Cubs games: You know what to expect at the game. Drunks and naughty words. I'm not saying its right, but it is what happens. You have no right to be upset. Its like taking your kids to a R rated movie and complaining that the movie was inappropriate for your kids.

[Invader3K]

Cubs-Brewers, opening day.... Any game where it's more of an EVENT then anything else are the games I stay away from.

 

Neither me or my wife drink and i cannot fathom why people feel the need to get "blasted" or 'f'ed up'.

Ironically, we went to Opening Day and didn't have any big problems...I think since there were way more Brewers fans than Cubs fans, the Brewers fans were actually the ones who were a bit more rowdy. There was a group of completely in the bag frat boy type Brewers fans in the row in front of us. One of these guys started whipping around peanuts, one of which grazed my wife. I told him "Watch it," a couple times. He must have took it under advisement, because he disappeared for most of the rest of the game.

 

Really, sometimes you just have to show some backbone and people like that get in line pretty quick. Failing that, get an usher.

[homer]

You have no right to be upset. Its like taking your kids to a R rated movie and complaining that the movie was inappropriate for your kids.

 

True to an extent but just because you're at a baseball game doesn't give you free license to swear. If someone does bring their little kids people should respect that. I'm not a prude by any means (I probably drop more F bombs than most people) but I don't do it in front of little ones. I had one trailer trash queen tell me once that it wasn't a family section so she could swear if she wanted.....then she fell down drunk. That was pretty funny.

[bigredrobbo]

Simple solution, but one which in a million years they'd never do - don't sell alcohol in Miller Park (ironic, I know). Don't allow people visibly drunk into the ballpark. Have security eject anyone deliberately baiting the home fans. Shoot anyone in a Cubs jersey.

 

Truth is, too many people stand to gain from heightened rivalries to want to do much about it. It's sad though, that people will stop taking kids to big games because of the frat boys with a sense of drunken entitlement.