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[sbrylski]

I say we go talk to the Reds, they aren't shy about giving up solid talent for a pen arm.

[dadofandrew]

Capellan and Jackson for Cordero? Sold!

 

I'm sure DC wants to add to their bullpen depth by trading their best reliever for two guys at AAA.

[brettac1]

I think Barmes is a logical guy to get in return.

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little. He is terrible. I'd much, much rather have Counsell every day of the week.

[MoneyballMan]

Unless it's solid talent (doubtful given that he put DM in a terrible position), I prefer that we keep him. As deep as the bullpen appears to be, it's by no means "SOLID".

 

- Villanueva is the 6th SP, so he may not remain in the bullpen if something happens to the rotation.

- Dessens has never been a great pitcher - solid long relief guy, but not someone you'd want to use in the 8th or 9th (see below)

- Turnbow is one bad outing away from being a head case again.

- Cordero was solid with us in the 2nd half last year, but does anyone remember how terrible he was with Texas in the first half?

- Aquino had a nice spring, but has been a fringe relief guy to this point.

 

We'll need Capellan before the season ends - otherwise, we'll wind up giving up real prospect talent later in the year to prop up the bullpen to remain in the playoff race. Can never have enough bullpen depth.

[wallus]

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I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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A little bit of a drama queen are we?

[brettac1]

A little bit of a drama queen are we?

 

No. Barmes actually makes me throw up in my mouth. Can be dangerous around the computer, vomit is difficult to clean off of a keyboard.

 

I prefer drama princess.

 

He sucks at baseball, and the last thing the Brewers have a need for is people who suck at playing baseball.

[dadofandrew]

Barmes would be fine if we also got a solid reliever. As I have mentioned however, I don't see a team trading for Capellan dealing a solid reliever.

[shelmark]

Someone in our pen will blow up and Cappy will be up by mid-May if not earlier. I just don't see a deal here.

[mothershipconnection]

Capellan and his agent are idiots. You never cry publicly about wanting a trade. It destroys the leverage of your GM, so it makes it way harder for him to give you what you want, and it also makes prospective buyers less likely to give anything for you because you're perceived as a malcontent.

If these idiots had half a brain, they'd approach Melvin in a very private manner and say "You need to trade him because he's very unhappy and will probably become a distraction. However, he'll be a good boy and put on a happy face until you trade him to make it easier for you to find a buyer."

[pitchleague]

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I'm sure DC wants to add to their bullpen depth by trading their best reliever for two guys at AAA.

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Actually, I seem to remember reading that the WASH GM Jim Bowden is all about re-stocking their team (and farm system) with as many young guys as possible. Mostly this is because their system was ruined by MLB running the team for those years.

 

Granted, Cordero is 25 or 26 years old so he's not in his prime yet, but I could see an offer for Jackson, Capellan, and maybe somebody else for Cordero.

[Boy Jeenius]

What shelmark said.

[aracko]

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I just threw up in my mouth a little. He is terrible. I'd much, much rather have Counsell every day of the week.

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I should have been more clear. I think Barmes is a pretty logical guy as far as player for player PERCIEVED value. I really dont think Capellan has too much value right now - as he has done nothing in the Majors. I prefer to hold onto him.

[Big Reed]

I originally mentioned barnes and cantu not really looking at their talent levels or their contracts, but rather they are both players their teams want to unload fast to some other team. When the brewers were able to acquire Ohka, it was not because they offered the Nationals a fair deal for him. it was because Ohka and Frank Robinson could no longer co-exist. and the Nationals jumped on the first offer they received.

 

That's why i specuate, if the brewers were really that interested in trading Capellan, i'm sure the rockies would gladly give us Barnes in a heartbeat, and the Drays would probably give us Cantu in exchange for him.

 

Are these equal trades? Do we really want either Cantu or Barnes? probably not. but these are guys who are definitely available. I'd rather have one of these players than the $100,000 toronto accepted. the question is, do we keep Capellan at AAA because we expect Acquino to fall apart soon? or do we trade him for waht's currently available? i said i before, i doubt any team will trade us a pitcher for him because pitching is very short supply. if a team had quality pitching, they wouldn't want to trade for capellan.

[naivin]

Melvin seems pretty clear he wants a Major Leaguer in return if he can find a fit...

 

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"I don't want to get into what teams have called but there have been some teams that have called," Melvin said.

 

As they're currently configured, the Brewers don't have a particular need to fill.

 

"Not really, but you take a look at the big clubs and see," Melvin said

 

"We're still looking at whether it's even something we want to do," Melvin said.

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Pretty obviously not going to trade him just to trade him. Unless you get good value in return, there is definite value in having something very few teams have...pitching depth.

[TooLiveBrew]

Cappellan has so little pull in this situation. He's arby controlled for years still, and the Crew have no reason to treat him like he's an All-Star. 50ish MLB innings? Hush little baby, don't say a word...

 

Please wait your turn. You looked good in 2006, but the pen is full right now. I agree he'll more than likely be needed for a roughly similar total of innings by the time the year's over.

[Terok Balefire]

The thought of getting another Cordero is very pleasing to me. What a 1-2-3 combo that would be.

[thefutureishere2006]

this is all hurting my prediction of capellan as most appearences by a reliever http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

anyway... i thought a cappellan, turnbow, wise, cordero bullpen with 3 guys that touch 100 to be a very nice one if the potential is reached..

 

how does this one look...

villy

dessens

wise

turnbow

c cordero--what kinda stuff does he have? i know good but what exactly?

f cordero

[statman0007]

I wonder if the Nationals would go for a "Sexson" type deal and take quantity over quality for Cordero. Clearly, the Nationals are in the same situation as the Brewers were a few years ago that they need a bunch of people that don't cost much. I might venture a guess that a deal of Gwynn, Capellan, Jackson, Gross, and a Manny Parra type would be more than enough to get Cordero. This deal would destroy the Brewers depth, but if they want to do that kind of deal it could be done without getting rid of any of our significant contributers.

[hauser42]

wonder if the Nationals would go for a "Sexson" type deal and take quantity over quality for Cordero. Clearly, the Nationals are in the same situation as the Brewers were a few years ago that they need a bunch of people that don't cost much. I might venture a guess that a deal of Gwynn, Capellan, Jackson, Gross, and a Manny Parra type would be more than enough to get Cordero. This deal would destroy the Brewers depth, but if they want to do that kind of deal it could be done without getting rid of any of our significant contributers.

 

Bowden will not get fleeced with this kind of trade. He will want quality player(s) for Cordero. Cordero is a young player that has talent and is controlled for a little while by the team. Sexson was going to be a free agent so the Brewers made a trade to fill some holes and get a few prospects.

 

None the guys mentioned is even a top end prospect anymore. Parra has a bum arm, Capellan has yet to prove him self at the big league level, Zach Jack has struggled since his one year, and both Ofer are 4 OFers at best.

[homer]

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Bowden will not get fleeced with this kind of trade.

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You overestimate Bowden.

[brewerfan82]

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Parra has a bum arm

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You make him sound like the next coming of Nick Neugebauer... Considering he's pitching, and so-far-so-good, I consider him just behind two top-fleat prospects in Gallardo and Inman on the depth chart and a very, very good prospect in his own right at age 24.

 

I know he's had health issues in the past, which make this a big "if," but "if" he stays healthy this year, he should make it to AAA and be considered for a big league roster spot next season.

 

Lefties with his rate stats are worth gold (and probably shouldn't be traded IMO). He's averaging close to a strikout an inning, a hit an inning and less than 2.5 walks per nine in his minor league career.

 

I know the comment was made about his health, but he's healthy now and I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be very valuable in a trade.

[pogokat]

rotoworld repoirting that the possible deal for cappellan was BK Kim

[dadofandrew]

Don't get my hopes up like that Pogo, me loves BK.

[pogokat]

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here's linkage from the denver post...

 

www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_5630727

[hauser42]

You overestimate Bowden.

 

He knows that Cordero could save 40 games a year on a good team and that number might be a bit low. Closers blow up left and right, and a team in the hunt needing a closer will pay the price.

 

Look what he paid last year to get Coco Cordero, and we had to move C. Lee. Coco had good stats but good ole Buck didn't give him a second chance after a rough start.