Capellan for Milledge

[don1481]

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He's making 5.1 IP/start. You're counting his 2 inning relief appearance in April against Chicago as a start.

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Ok. I'll give on that.

 

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1. vargas won't get us milledge

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Maybe, maybe not. But it is a reasonable starting point. Both teams trading from strengths/depth to fill holes.

 

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2. milledge is overrated

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Same could be said about Yo by other teams' fanshttp://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

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3. yo is 21, and there's little need to throw him to the waves right now

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Which I do agree with - and have agreed with in other spots - but it seems like the general consensus among all the people in the "know" (i.e. Jim Powell, Haudricourt, etc) that Yo will be up this year at some point. Which makes someone expendable. And if we're going to get something in return for our investment, Vargas is most likely to bring the most back at the present moment. Of course, this is subject to change as the season progresses.

 

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4. trade mench, sure, but he's not going to bring Cheap middle relief help

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I disagree. Some team - as the season progresses - is going to need another OF, and our asking price is MR help. And I think DM would get that.

 

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5. Joe Thatcher, Manny Parra, Robert Hinton, and to a lesser extent Cappellan and Sarfate are there if the team needs middle relief help...

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Yes - all those are valid MR options. I don't recall whether it was here or in the chat yesterday that I brought up Sarfate and Capellan as reasonable "plugs" to any MR hole.

 

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i think you are just suggesting moves to make moves...

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That's a pretty bold claim, Pogo. Here's what actually happened: I was going through the rumors that are linked to SI.com yesterday and I saw "Milledge trade bait for SP help." And I thought to myself "hmm... we could fill LF for years with him. The Mets need a SP. We have a SP that's really not in our long-term plans. Why not?" So I threw this idea out.

 

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Yo has not done a thing in the bigs, and very little in AAA. Assuming he'd do better than Vargas is pie-in-the-sky.

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But what he HAS done in AAA is continue the pattern of dominance he's had throughout his minor league career. Which at least gives us an idea as to what he brings to the table.

 

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if we trade vargas we are two injuries away from having elmer dessens starting games.

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Not true. We still have:

 

Yo

Villanueva

Jackson

 

In case starters get hurt.

 

Seriously, though, if we have 4 starting pitchers go down, we might as well just call ourselves the April '07 Yankees and hope to heck our O carries us until we get some of our SPs back.

 

 

In all, this idea was floated as a way to solve three needs:

1. Long-term solution for LF

2. Open up a spot in the rotation for Yo without weakening the team

3. Free up money through subsequent moves to keep the core of the team.

 

The issues that you guys have brought up are:

1. Vargas alone might not get Milledge

2. Milledge may be overrated

3. Yo might not perform "up to expectations"

4. The subsequent trades might not land what I'm hoping they'd land

5. Vargas is pitching well right now. Why trade him?

6. We'll then be down to 2 "backup" Starting Pitchers (Villy and Jackson) in case something happens to our rotation

[AJ Love]

I'd trade Dessens plus Zach Jackson for Milledge. Supposedly, Dessens could be a 5th starter on many teams, and Jackson is a lefty. Granted, the Mets would be fools to take that trade, but that's what I'd do. Maybe throw in another prospect from A ball

[Tbadder]

I wouldn't take Milledge if he was cut. He is a pariah and just a plain nut case. Did you see that guy high fiving it around the stadium on his home run earlier this year. I have a relative who is pretty high ranking (really I do, not blowing smoke) on an American League ballclub and he intimated that everyone is absolutely afraid of this guy. He breaks the back of managers and general managers alike. Pitching depth is way too important to trade for head cases with potential.

[geothite]

Don't worry about Capellan.

He isn't going to be traded.

He was sent down to Nashville to send a message and he knew it.

He reacted like a brat and the Brewers have decided to give him another spanking.

 

I am certain of several things and one is when he gets called up he will listen to everything he is told by the coaches from now on. The message has been sent and he will be here about the same time that Spurling gets sent back to AAA where he belongs.

 

Capellan was sent down because he had started to take things for granted. He showed up not in the best shape, he hadn't worked on the things they wanted him to during the winter, he was babying his arm in spring as if he had already made the roster. He is a talented guy who needed to have a bit of urgency introduced into his life.

 

This isn't a bad thing.

[don1481]

Holy late to the party, geothite http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

The thread changed to Vargas for Milledge.

 

I didn't feel it appropriate to start a new thread when we were still talking about Milledge except using Vargas for Milledge instead.

[twobrewers]

Milledge in trouble for rap lyrics

 

I would imagine the Mets must be pretty sour on this kid right now. He has been nothing but a headache for them. I don't care what he "projects" to - someone needs to tell him he should do something in the big league before he starts acting like an prima donna.

[UWRyan428]

He and Bronson Arroyo are going to do a collaboration this fall according to the insiders at Rolling Stone.

[geothite]

Milledge I suspect will be part of a trade to get a front line starter sometime in July.

I will be honest with you I really don't want to trade Capallen in the NL. This guy still has a ton of ability and has seem to lock in at Nashville. He simply needs work. I would hate to hand the Mets their stopper for the next decade.