Another deal with the Rangers

[Bernman23]

Rangers trade: Kevin Millwood, Akinori Otsuka, cash

 

for

 

Dave Bush, Zach Jackson, Jose Capellan, and Tony Graffanino

 

This is of course contigent upon Milwood getting healthy so it wouldn't be an immediate trade.

 

I don't feel like Dave Bush will be a good pitcher in the postseason given the fact that he's prone to the big inning. If he can't handle the pressure when things go awry in one inning of a regular season game, how is he going to do under the bright lights of the postseason? Gallardo isn't an option as a starter the entire season because we'll have to shut him down. And it's not optimum to rely on a couple inexperieced young pitchers like Gallardo or Villy to start in the postseason. Vargas simply is not good enough. A reliever like Otsuka is a luxury for a bad team like Rangers. Millwood is kind of pricey, so they may have to pay a few million dollars of his contract. He's kind of up and down, but his veteran leadership would be an asset, and he is potentially a horse.

 

Side note: Deal Mench to the Angels for a prospect in the interim.

[JoeHova]

I like trying to get Otsuka, I would pass on Millwood though. How about Bush for Otsuka straight up? Would Texas have interest in that, or would the Brewers have to throw something else good in?

[Brian the Automator]

I would think Otsuka would fetch a lot more at the trading block than being included in a deal like that.

[Tedaldtada]

I would probabley do Otsuka for Bush. I also think that is a trade the Rangers would have to consider. Here's an idea,

 

Brewers Get:

Otsuka

H. Blalock

 

Rangers Get:

Bush

J. Cappellan or Parra

Gross or Graffy

 

Blalock would become one of our primary pinch hitters and insurance in case Braun slows down. Otsuka would make our bullpen the best in baseball immediatley and he could take over for CoCo after this year.

[Brian the Automator]

Blalock just had surgery to remove a rib. I don't think he's going to be on the move.

[sbrylski]

Trading Bush now makes nil sense. Trade Vargas, the guy with the ERA over his head, not the "underpreforming" pitcher in Bush.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Trading Bush now makes nil sense. Trade Vargas, the guy with the ERA over his head, not the "underpreforming" pitcher in Bush. ]

 

Trading Bush makes sense as he has more trade value than vargas,

[Tedaldtada]

Oh, thanks for that Brian, I didn't hear about that.

[Bernman23]

Well, I've never been particuarly fond of Bush. It's not just a reactionary trade proposal. I think the guy has overrated stuff and is mentally soft. And were just going to ride it out with Bush in the rotation? That's a precarious strategy for a team trying to hold on to a division lead. He's not going to last for more than a few starts anyways. And like I said, this trade wouldn't be possible immediately. Ideally he'd turn it around for the next 3-4 starts, get his ERA down to 5 or so, and we'd deal him.

 

Hi Brian. If the Rangers could fetch more, I'd be willing to part with just about anyone in the Brewer's system, who is not top 3. The only players I'm particularly fond of outside that group are: Periard, TGJr. (if you consider him a prospect), Parra (injury not withstanding), and Heraud (hasn't played in 2 years). Braddock might be another guy, but he's already injured his arm. I'll be honest, I think our current system is overrated beyond the top 3. But that's for another discussion.

[sbrylski]

Trading Bush makes sense as he has more trade value than Vargas.

 

What do we need that's so expensive? I say keep the better player, trade the lesser for the role player that fills a hole.

[Brian the Automator]

[ What do we need that's so expensive? I say keep the better player, trade the lesser for the role player that fills a hole. ]

 

The Brewers could use another dominant bullpen arm, and they could use a hole for Gallardo. Neither Vargas nor Bush translate all that well to the pen, so if a team is willing to send a nice bullpen arm for Bush but not Vargas, why not do it?

 

Honestly, I think you're in Bush defense mode. I like him a lot too, but he's expendable, and no one's going to want Vargas.

[UWRyan428]

Vargas has value, much like any arm at the deadline that has logged innings. Is he going to garner a good amount in trade alone? Probably not. But he could be packaged with an outfielder (the Grench!) and Tony Graffanino. If speculation over Dougie's moves have taught us nothing, it is that the 'stache surprises. Love it. Fear it. Know it. As for Bush, it is the epitome of selling low if he is traded. Let the bulldog pitch.

[sbrylski]

Honestly, I think you're in Bush defense mode. I like him a lot too, but he's expendable, and no one's going to want Vargas.

 

I'm practically in love with Bush, I suppose. And for sake of argument, why wouldn't Bush translate into a good pen arm? (Not that I ever want to see him pulled from the rotation.)

 

Someone would take Vargas. Plenty of teams could use him. Send him to Baltimore for one of their relievers or something.

 

I just see so much potential in Dave Bush. Chris Carpenter type potential. I think it would be a huge mistake to trade him, and right now would be one of the worst times to do that.

[Brian the Automator]

[ I'm practically in love with Bush, I suppose. And for sake of argument, why wouldn't Bush translate into a good pen arm? (Not that I ever want to see him pulled from the rotation.) ]

 

Historically, he doesn't do well until he settles in... not what I want in someone who I need in a pinch.

 

[ Someone would take Vargas. Plenty of teams could use him. Send him to Baltimore for one of their relievers or something. ]

 

I'm sure someone would take him, but that's not the point... I'd want someone who's an upgrade.

 

[ I just see so much potential in Dave Bush. Chris Carpenter type potential. I think it would be a huge mistake to trade him, and right now would be one of the worst times to do that. ]

 

I think fans read too much into the buy low, sell high stuff... Especially with such a small sample size. We aren't the only ones who can read into K:BB and FIP.

 

Chris Carpenter won a Cy Young award. If Dave Bush wins a Cy Young award, by all means, I owe you a beer.

[sbrylski]

Chris Carpenter won a Cy Young award. If Dave Bush wins a Cy Young award, by all means, I owe you a beer.

 

Deal. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[UWRyan428]

Didn't Ned say something the other day about how Bush pitches poorly out of the stretch, which doesn't translate well to the 'pen? And if any of our arms have a good amount of value in trade, it's Capuano.

[endaround]

That assumes that Capuano can actually get out of the 4th inning again this season. His implosion is a big reason for the record over the past 16 games.

[rousieboy]

How about Sammy Sosa...sure he is a roidy kinda guy...but at 500K he would compliment Jenks better than Mench and the Cubbies would hate to have him doing well in Wrigley...

 

I think he could be had on the cheap given the ball being played by Texas now...

 

rouse

[hauser42]

Not sure that the Rangers would trade Otsuka. I believe that Gagne is only signed for one year and they would want to have options for next for a closer.

[shelmark]

Capellan, Zach Jackson, and Parra should get us Otsuka. Some might claim that is too much, but it might win the Central for us.

[hauser42]

Capellan, Zach Jackson, and Parra should get us Otsuka. Some might claim that is too much, but it might win the Central for us.

 

That is not over paying for a proven bullpen arm. I just dont see the Rangers giving him up with out a replacement closer for next year. Capellan would be the best option from this trade, but has not proven he can handle the big leagues.

[ORLANDOBREWER]

What about Vargus, Capellan and Mench for Gagne, Sosa and Eric Hurley. He is a AA starting pitching prospect who is 6 - 1 with a 2.64 ERA in 75 innings with 62 strikeouts and 22 walks. Meanwhile bring up Gallardo for the 5th spot in the rotation and skip his turn when we can to keep his innings down. Move Parra to AAA and insert Hurley in Huntsville.