National League Rookie of the Year (merged with SmartBall's tulo thread and craigharmann's "Braun and Yo for ROY?" thread)

[milwaukeesportsfan]

Braun has 305 plate appearances in 68 games this season, for an average 4.49 plate appearances per game. He needs 197 more plate appearances in 46 games to qualify for the batting title, which would be an average of 4.28 plate appearances per game. As long as he keeps up his current pace, he will have enough.

[Fatter than Joey]

Of course as stated before you can add hitless ABs to qualify

[milwaukeesportsfan]

But if you do that, then you have to adjust the batting average. As long as he doesn't miss any more games, no such adjustment will be necessary, which will greatly increase his chances of winning the batting title.

[splitterpfj]

MSF is right, basically, if Braun gets up to bat 4.3 times per game the rest of the way, he's in.

 

As FTJ is alluding, that's not the same as At Bats. This is about Plate Appearances, BBs count, so do HBPs, sac flies, etc.

[Fatter than Joey]

I really don't think Braun needs to win the batting title to win ROY

[1992casey]

If you want to get really technical, you'd be adding hitless plate appearances. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

In addition to the situations splitter listed above, plate appearances also include sac bunts and catcher interferences.

[Fatter than Joey]

I don't know why 'reached on error' wouldn't be included, but I guess that's another discussion for another time.

 

I believe errors are included as PAs and are recorded/treated just like an out.

[1992casey]

That just dawned on me, FTJ, and I was editing it out as you posted. You're quick! :-)

[BrewCrewForever]

Gotta agree with splitter on this one. Braun is putting up Pujols-like stats and is showing no signs of slowing down.

 

My prediction of 35 HRs for him may have been a bit low.

Yeah his Pujols type stats in his rookie year lead me to belive he has what it takes to be an all-star every year and one of the top tier players for years. 35 HR sounds about right to me this season.

[uwisfan]

If the brewers make the playoffs, in spite of Prince's early pub and leading the NL in HRs..it would be hard not to vote Braun MVP based on the numbers. He is on track to win the batting title, is second in the league in OPS, has a 40-pt first place lead in slugging, and is leading the league in HRs since his callup.

[SmartBall]

Tulo is clearly the rookie of the year...

... or so this guy thinks.

 

Does anyone else think that this article is just a hair anti-semitic?

 

Lincicome: Tulowitzki clearly best rookie

 

 

(added tags, added text to link --1992)

[homer]

Let's start with the numbers. Impressive power. Good average. Poor fielder. If Braun's numbers are prorated over a season (since he did not come up to the Brewers until late May), he could be considered the most productive first year slugger ever, could beat McGwire's rookie homer record of 49.

 

But on actual comparison with Tulo-witzki, going into Sunday's games, judging the whole season and not some fanciful projection of it, Tulowitzki has more RBI, more runs scored, more hits, a respectable total of home runs and a range and arm at shortstop that anchors the best fielding team in the league.

 

Not to mention, and this seems never to be mentioned, an unassisted triple play.

 

No, in real time, over a whole season, there is very little to choose with what each has done, but the edge must go to Tulowitzki, who is also a year younger than Braun.

 

But if the judgment comes just because there was a movie - mostly unseen, but still . . . - actually called The Hebrew Hammer, let us offer one called Troy, not to recommend either.

 

The movies, not the ballplayers. Tulo-witzki is the clear choice there.

 

 

I mean this guy could not possibly be more of a home town writer even if he tried. I like how mentions all the stats where Tulo leads, but fails to mention stolen bases, BA, OBP, SLG, etc. etc.

 

Tulo is a terrific player but he'll be second in voting when the time comes.

[crewcrazy]

It's hard for me to get too worked up on this, since he's likely just playing to the home crowd with this column, but Tulowitzki isn't the "clear" choice for ROY like this guy seems to think. First of all, the notion that Braun's "unusual" name will get him more votes is just asinine -- in what universe is "Braun" a more unusual name than "Tulowitzki"? Then he goes on to acknowledge that Braun would most likely be beating Tulo in most offensive categories had he been playing the entire year, but says that Tulo should win the award anyway since it's the "real" season and not the "fanciful projection of it." Punishing Braun because he wasn't called up until the end of May is stupid. Even more stupid is saying Tulo should win ROY because he turned an unassisted triple play this year.

[RobertR]

Of course the elephant in the room is that Tulowitzki plays in Colorado and has an awful road split. Not to mention he's barely ahead of Braun in RBIs and has just a handful more runs. Can we also mention that Tulowitzki also leads Ryan Braun in outs?

 

Tulowitzki is having a good rookie year though. And if you factor in defense, he's probably closer to Braun than is thought off hand. He and Pence should finish in the top 3.

 

Robert

[brewers19]

Just a reminder that religious discussion is not allowed here; so in order for this thread to remain open, discussion will have to be limited to Tulowitzki's ROY bid or how blatantly biased this writer is.

[1992casey]

I lost the guy with the 84-word sentence that comprised all of paragraph five. Honestly, I don't know what he's talking about.

[TooLiveBrew]

nah, didn't get that (anti-semitic) vibe. It's just a whiny piece that's anti-reality. Heck, this goof lists Tulowitzki's turning of an unassisted triple-play (a play almost completely dependent upon luck) as a gigantic reason why he should be ROY. The only leg on which his argument can stand is the defense, which doesn't nearly compensate for Braun's torrid offensive output. Just another "writer" (honestly, this thing is written at a middle-school level) who can't see beyond runs & rbi. And one that's totally jealous that his new favorite player is overmatched by a much, much better hitter.

[1992casey]

Does anyone think that this writer might not intend to be taken seriously?

[homer]

"Does anyone think that this writer might not intend to be taken seriously? "

 

I considered that, but wouldn't he let everyone in on the joke at the end of the story?

 

For what it's worth here are Tulowitzki's home/road splits. Yeah, no Coors Field advantage going on here at all.

Home .337/.401/.573

Road .244/.315/.357

[giffted1]

Yeah, Tulowitsky sealed it with that unassisted triple play...and Chad Moeller was in the running for MVP a few years back because he hit for the cycle.

[Brian the Automator]

Ok, so we're supposed to spot Troy Tulowitzki .200 points of OPS and an obvious Coors Field split advantage because he's a good defensive shortstop?

 

Probably not.

[trwi7]

"Does anyone think that this writer might not intend to be taken seriously? "

 

I considered that, but wouldn't he let everyone in on the joke at the end of the story?

 

For what it's worth here are Tulowitzki's home/road splits. Yeah, no Coors Field advantage going on here at all.

Home .337/.401/.573

Road .244/.315/.357

Absolutely. I knew his home/road splits were horrible so I was going to bring those up if somebody else didn't. There's also only one cartoon character that can be used to describe this writer. Homer.

[rluzinski]

You could probably construct an intelligent argument supporting Tulowitzki for ROY. The offensive bar is much lower at SS than 3B for one. Second, even if Tulowitzki's defense is average for a SS, he has a clear edge over Braun. Last, When you are talking about ROY or MVP awards, counting stats do count, so Tulowitzki's advantage in that regard shouldn't be ignored.

 

Do I think that's enough to justify picking Tulowitzki over Braun? Probably not, especially when you consider park factors. Of course, the author spent more time comparing their names than anything else, so.. wow... what an odd article.

[Oldcity]

I was going to say the same thing giffted. I can't believe he used an unassisted triple play (on a ball hit right to him, no less) as a reason why Tulo should be ROY.

[Paul77]

It's a local piece in a Denver newspaper written by a guy who spent the past 17 years in Chicago covering the Cubs & Sox, I hardly expect much objectivity from him on the subject.